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(1) xy=0 (2) y=0
Thanks! I think answer B is not correct. (1) \(xy=0\) > either \(x=0\) or \(y=0\): if \(x=0\), then \(x^2+y^2=y^2=1\) and \(y=1\) or \(y=1\), so \(x+y=0+1=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=01=1\) (answer NO); if \(y=0\), then \(x^2+y^2=x^2=1\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO); Two different answers. No sufficient. (2) \(y=0\) > \(x^2+y^2=x^2=1\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO). Two different answers. No sufficient. (1)+(2) \(xy=0\) and \(y=0\) > \(y=0\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO). Two different answers. No sufficient. Answer: E.
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D can be true only when problem says x and y are positive.
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For the given Question, The answer shud be "E".
(x+y)^2=X^2+y^2+2xy=1+2xy ==> x+y = sqrt(1+2xy)
1) xy=0 ==> x+y = sqrt(1+0) = +1 (or) 1 ===> Not Suff. 2) y=0 ==> clearly Not suff.
1&2 No new info.
Answer shud be E
Had the qtn been "IS X+Y = 1", then the answer whould have been "A" as shown above.
Hope it is clear.



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If I may, x^2+y^2=1 is the formula of a circle centered on (0,0) with radius 1. This should help you answer the problem more easily PS: the answer is definitely E. Typos happen.



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It has to be E. (X+Y)= 1 or 1can be Posted from GMAT ToolKit



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IMO Answer is D.. Here's why:
x^2+y^2= 1
X^2+y^2 can be written as (x+y)^22xy
Therefore (x+y)^22xy = 1
From statement 1, xy=0 we get (x+y)^2 = 1 From statement 2, y=0 we get (x+y)^2 = 1
Thus (x+y)=1> Square root of both sides
Both statements are sufficient.



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pratk wrote: IMO Answer is D.. Here's why:
x^2+y^2= 1
X^2+y^2 can be written as (x+y)^22xy
Therefore (x+y)^22xy = 1
From statement 1, xy=0 we get (x+y)^2 = 1 From statement 2, y=0 we get (x+y)^2 = 1
Thus (x+y)=1 > Square root of both sides
Both statements are sufficient. The answer to this question is E, not D. Consider two sets of numbers, which satisfy stem, as well as both statements and give different values of x+y: If \(y=0\) and \(x=1\) then \(x+y=1+0=1\); If \(y=0\) and \(x=1\) then \(x+y=1+0=1\). Two different answers. No sufficient. Answer: E. Now, the problem in your solution (the red part) is that (x+y)^2=1 means that x+y=1 OR x+y=1 (you forgot to consider negative root). Basically the same way as x^2=4 means that x=2 or x=2. Hope it's clear.
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Yes Bunuel, what you mention is correct and I also thought about it that way and this would hold true if ther question would have been phrased differently perhaps something like : "What is the value of x?" However the question simply asks: is x+y=1? And based on my post above, the answer to that question is Yes using both statements independently.
Not sure if my thinking is correct, guess I have been doing alot of critical reasoning questions so my mind is working in a different way.
Any thoughts?



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pratk wrote: Yes Bunuel, what you mention is correct and I also thought about it that way and this would hold true if ther question would have been phrased differently perhaps something like : "What is the value of x?" However the question simply asks: is x+y=1? And based on my post above, the answer to that question is Yes using both statements independently.
Not sure if my thinking is correct, guess I have been doing alot of critical reasoning questions so my mind is working in a different way.
Any thoughts? No, your thinking is not correct. It's seems that you have some problem with this type of DS question. It's a YES/NO DS question. In a Yes/No Data Sufficiency question, statement(s) is sufficient if the answer is “always yes” or “always no” while a statement(s) is insufficient if the answer is "sometimes yes" and "sometimes no". Now, we have that even when statements are taken together x+y can equal to 1 as well as 1. So, both statements are not sufficient to give definite YES or definite NO answer to the question whether x+y=1. Hope it's clear.
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Thanks for the explanation. I get it now. Guess I need to practice more of these Always Yes/No type.



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eybrj2 wrote: If x^2+y^2=1, is x+y=1 ?
(1) xy=0 (2) y=0 Hi eybrj (X+Y)^2= X^2+Y^2+2*X*Y 1) Since XY=0 (X+Y)^2= X^2+Y^2+0=1 => (X+Y)= +1 or 1 So no unique Solution 2) Since y=0 (X+Y)^2= X^2+0+0=X^2 X^2=1 => X= +1 or 1 => X+Y= +1 or 1 So no unique solution Combining 1) & 2) only gives XY term to be zero hence the solution can't be determined so E is the answer Best Vaibhav
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Bunuel wrote: rraggio wrote: If x^2+y^2=1, is x+y=1 ?
(1) xy=0 (2) y=0
Thanks! I think answer B is not correct. (1) \(xy=0\) > either \(x=0\) or \(y=0\): if \(x=0\), then \(x^2+y^2=y^2=1\) and \(y=1\) or \(y=1\), so \(x+y=0+1=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=01=1\) (answer NO); if \(y=0\), then \(x^2+y^2=x^2=1\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO); Two different answers. No sufficient. (2) \(y=0\) > \(x^2+y^2=x^2=1\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO). Two different answers. No sufficient. (1)+(2) \(xy=0\) and \(y=0\) > \(y=0\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO). Two different answers. No sufficient. Answer: E. Hi Bunuel, In one of posts, I read that "square root function can not give negative result" So in the solution above, is it ok to assume that Under root Y Square (or X Square) will have 2 values: one positive and one negative. Regards Rohan



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RohanKhera wrote: Bunuel wrote: rraggio wrote: If x^2+y^2=1, is x+y=1 ?
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Thanks! I think answer B is not correct. (1) \(xy=0\) > either \(x=0\) or \(y=0\): if \(x=0\), then \(x^2+y^2=y^2=1\) and \(y=1\) or \(y=1\), so \(x+y=0+1=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=01=1\) (answer NO); if \(y=0\), then \(x^2+y^2=x^2=1\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO); Two different answers. No sufficient. (2) \(y=0\) > \(x^2+y^2=x^2=1\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO). Two different answers. No sufficient. (1)+(2) \(xy=0\) and \(y=0\) > \(y=0\) and \(x=1\) or \(x=1\), so \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer YES) or \(x+y=1+0=1\) (answer NO). Two different answers. No sufficient. Answer: E. Hi Bunuel, In one of posts, I read that "square root function can not give negative result" So in the solution above, is it ok to assume that Under root Y Square (or X Square) will have 2 values: one positive and one negative. Regards Rohan I guess you are confused by the part where we have \(x=1\) or \(x=1\) from \(x^2=1\). Square root function can not give negative result > \(\sqrt{some \ expression}\geq{0}\), for example \(\sqrt{x^2}\geq{0}\) > \(\sqrt{4}=2\) (not +2 and 2). In contrast, the equation \(x^2=25\) has TWO solutions, +5 and 5, because both 5^2 and (5)^2 equal to 25. Hope it's clear.
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So you mean that a square root operation results in 2 solution (positive and negative) only in case of an equation ? And otherwise (in case of non equation) there is only one solution i.e. positive ?
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If y is not equal to 1, is x=1?
(1) x^2 + y^2 = 1 (2) y= 1x
Statement 1 is clearly not sufficient, as y can be 1/2 or 0, so x can be +3/4 , 3/4 or +1/1 Similar statement 2 alone is not sufficient
Even when you combine both
y = 1x x+y =1 squaring both sides (x+y)^2 = 1 x^2 +y^2 + 2xy = 1
from (1), 1 + 2xy = 1, hence xy =0 so x could be 1, 2, 3... and y could be 0, not sufficient.
But is OA is C. I am not sure how



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gaurav1418z wrote: Bunuel
Similar question but couldnt find any thread
If y is not equal to 1, is x=1?
(1) x^2 + y^2 = 1 (2) y = 1  x
Statement 1 is clearly not sufficient, as y can be 1/2 or 0, so x can be +3/4 , 3/4 or +1/1 Similar statement 2 alone is not sufficient
Even when you combine both
y = 1x x+y =1 squaring both sides (x+y)^2 = 1 x^2 +y^2 + 2xy = 1
from (1), 1 + 2xy = 1, hence xy =0 so x could be 1, 2, 3... and y could be 0, not sufficient.
But is OA is C. I am not sure how From xy=0, x=0, y=0 or both. But if x=0, then from y=1x, we get that y=1 but we are told that y≠1, thus x≠0. Hence y=0 and from y=1x, we get that x=1. This question is discussed here: ify1isx161421.htmlHope it helps.
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Thanks as always Bunuel, yes it helps. Cheers and have a good day




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