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Official Solution states Statement 1 is insufficient because it renders y = -1/3 or y = -1. However, I believe that -1/3 is not a possible value for y because the question states x^2 = y^2.

Explanation: If y = -1/3 then x = -2/3, which contradicts the question. Thus -1/3 is rejected, leaving only y = -1. This would make Statement 1 sufficient.

Official Answer: C My Answer: A

Please help me to understand why is my position not correct.

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20 May 2013, 09:50

stormbind wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

Please refer to the solutions provided.

Explanation: If y = -1/3 then x = -2/3, which contradicts the question. Thus -1/3 is rejected, leaving only y = -1. This would make Statement 1 sufficient.

This part is not correct. x = 2y+1. If y = -1/3, x is not equal to -2/3.
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Official Solution states Statement 1 is insufficient because it renders y = -1/3 or y = -1. However, I believe that -1/3 is not a possible value for y because the question states x^2 = y^2.

Explanation: If y = -1/3 then x = -2/3, which contradicts the question. Thus -1/3 is rejected, leaving only y = -1. This would make Statement 1 sufficient.

Official Answer: C My Answer: A

Please help me to understand why is my position not correct.

Why do we have to solve for 'y' when we are looking for the value of x? I know how to get x=-1 and x=1/3 but I'm still not sure why the values of y are relevant.

Bunuel wrote:

kotela wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

If x^2 = y^2, is true that x>0?

\(x^2 = y^2\) --> \(|x|=|y|\) --> either \(y=x\) or \(y=-x\).

(1) x=2y+1 --> if \(y=x\) then we would have: \(x=2x+1\) --> \(x=-1<0\) (notice that in this case \(y=x=-1\)) but if \(y=-x\) then we would have: \(x=-2x+1\) --> \(x=\frac{1}{3}>0\) (notice that in this case \(y=-x=-\frac{1}{3}\)). Not sufficient.

(2) y<= -1. Clearly insufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) \(y\leq{-1}\) then from (1) \(y=x=-1\), so the answer to the question is NO. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.

Hi Bunnel,

I need a clarification here, when i put statement 1 in X^2 = Y^2 i get the below

3Y^2= -4Y-1,

and since LHS is positive so the RHS needs to be positive so in order to RHS to be positive Y should be "-ve" and when Y is negative, Now

considering statement 1 we can get to know that X is negative.....

So my point is again statement 2 needed?

Please clarify me if i am wrong?

How did you get that if y is negative x must be positive?

For (1) we have: \(x^2 = y^2\) and \(x=2y+1\). Solving gives: \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\) OR \(x=\frac{1}{3}\) and \(y=-\frac{1}{3}\), just substitute these values to check that they satisfy both equations.

Insufficient because we have two values for x. (however, using the same reasoning to arrive at c. cant we say that both answers we arrive at show that x ≠ 0 and thus, a is sufficient?)

2. y≤-1 Not sufficent

1+2 2. says that y≤-1. In #1, the only case where y≤-1 is y=2y+1

-y=1 y=-1

y=2(-1)+1 x=-1

Here we get an answer of x=-1 which is obviously ≠ to 0.

Insufficient because we have two values for x. (however, using the same reasoning to arrive at c. cant we say that both answers we arrive at show that x ≠ 0 and thus, a is sufficient?)

2. y≤-1 Not sufficent

1+2 2. says that y≤-1. In #1, the only case where y≤-1 is y=2y+1

-y=1 y=-1

y=2(-1)+1 x=-1

Here we get an answer of x=-1 which is obviously ≠ to 0.

Everything you did is correct except that you misunderstood the question. The question is:

Is x positive? Is x > 0? It does not ask you whether x is equal to 0.

Statement I tells you that x could be positive or negative. So not sufficient. Both statements together tell you that x is negative. Hence it is not positive. It answers the question with 'No'. Sufficient.
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for #2.) we are given y<=-1. This is not sufficient because of the following:

|x| = |y|

x=y OR x=-y

x=-y OR x=-(-y) x=y

Correct?

I am not really sure what you have done here. The 4 cases will be x = y x = -y -x = y -x = -y which are equivalent to just two cases: x = y or x = -y. Statement 2 is not sufficient because all we know now is that y is negative. IF x = y, x is negative. If x = -y, x is positive. So we still don't know whether x is positive or not.

WholeLottaLove wrote:

Another thing that has bothered me is this. If x=-y, and for example, y=5, then would x=(-5)?

As always, thanks for the help!

Yes. If x = -y and y = 5, then x = -5
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If x^2 = y^2, then we can get the square root of both sides: √x^2 = √y^2 |x| = |y| x=y OR x=-y

1) x=2y+1 (2) y<= -1

1) x=2y+1 So, we are looking for the value of x. x=y or -x=y

I.) x=2y+1 x=2x+1 -x=1 x=-1

II.) x=2y+1 x=-2x+1 3x=1 x=1/3

x could be greater than zero or less than zero. NOT SUFFICIENT

(2) y<= -1

x could = y or -y. For example. |x| = |y| |2| = |-2| OR |-2| = |-2|

NOT SUFFICIENT

1 + 2) x=2y+1 and y<= -1

In 1) we have two cases, where x is negative and where x is positive. However, when x is negative y is positive and when x is positive y is negative. 2) tells us that y is negative meaning x must be positive or greater than zero. SUFFICIENT

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If x^2=y^2, is it true that X>0? |x|=|y| ---> x=y or x=-y

1. x=2y+1, x is also equal to y. --> 2y+1=y or y=-1. If y=-1, x=2(-1)+1=-2+1=-1 x=2y+1, x is also equal to -y. --> 2y+1=-y or y=-(1/3). If y=-(1/3), x=-(2/3)+1=(-2+3)/3=1/3 we see that x is positive in second case and not in the first. NOT SUFFICIENT

2. y<=-1. This one is easy to notice that x can be anything as long as its magnitude is same as y's.

1+2: y can only be -1 from combining these two statement. This is also our case 1 from statement 1. Hence, x=-1<0. SUfficient

\(x^2 = y^2\) --> \(|x|=|y|\) --> either \(y=x\) or \(y=-x\).

(1) x=2y+1 --> if \(y=x\) then we would have: \(x=2x+1\) --> \(x=-1<0\) (notice that in this case \(y=x=-1\)) but if \(y=-x\) then we would have: \(x=-2x+1\) --> \(x=\frac{1}{3}>0\) (notice that in this case \(y=-x=-\frac{1}{3}\)). Not sufficient.

(2) y<= -1. Clearly insufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) \(y\leq{-1}\) then from (1) \(y=x=-1\), so the answer to the question is NO. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.

Hi Bunuel

Why cant answer be B

From x^2=y^2 x and y can take the following values: 1 and -1 or -1 and 1 as x and y different so not considering same integers like both positive or both negative

from 1st statement none of the values satisfy the given equation from 2nd statement, y is negative which makes x as positive. Where am I wrong?

\(x^2 = y^2\) --> \(|x|=|y|\) --> either \(y=x\) or \(y=-x\).

(1) x=2y+1 --> if \(y=x\) then we would have: \(x=2x+1\) --> \(x=-1<0\) (notice that in this case \(y=x=-1\)) but if \(y=-x\) then we would have: \(x=-2x+1\) --> \(x=\frac{1}{3}>0\) (notice that in this case \(y=-x=-\frac{1}{3}\)). Not sufficient.

(2) y<= -1. Clearly insufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) \(y\leq{-1}\) then from (1) \(y=x=-1\), so the answer to the question is NO. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.

Hi Bunuel

Why cant answer be B

From x^2=y^2 x and y can take the following values: 1 and -1 or -1 and 1 as x and y different so not considering same integers like both positive or both negative

from 1st statement none of the values satisfy the given equation from 2nd statement, y is negative which makes x as positive. Where am I wrong?

x and y can be the same number. Generally, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, different variables CAN represent the same number.

So, for (2) it's possible that x = y = -1, or x= 1 and y = -1, or x = y = -2, or x = y = -1.5, or x = 100 and y = -100...
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\(x^2 = y^2\) --> \(|x|=|y|\) --> either \(y=x\) or \(y=-x\).

(1) x=2y+1 --> if \(y=x\) then we would have: \(x=2x+1\) --> \(x=-1<0\) (notice that in this case \(y=x=-1\)) but if \(y=-x\) then we would have: \(x=-2x+1\) --> \(x=\frac{1}{3}>0\) (notice that in this case \(y=-x=-\frac{1}{3}\)). Not sufficient.

(2) y<= -1. Clearly insufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) \(y\leq{-1}\) then from (1) \(y=x=-1\), so the answer to the question is NO. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.

Hi Bunuel

Why cant answer be B

From x^2=y^2 x and y can take the following values: 1 and -1 or -1 and 1 as x and y different so not considering same integers like both positive or both negative

from 1st statement none of the values satisfy the given equation from 2nd statement, y is negative which makes x as positive. Where am I wrong?

x and y can be the same number. Generally, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, different variables CAN represent the same number.

So, for (2) it's possible that x = y = -1, or x= 1 and y = -1, or x = y = -2, or x = y = -1.5, or x = 100 and y = -100...

Agreed Bunuel. Tried that too. But by that logic, Statement 1 holds true only when both x and y are negative and hence we could get A as the answer as we would know that y is negative along with x.

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