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If 5x and 3y are consecutive, does that mean x and y will always b consecutive too?



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out of all the questions which I have encountered in my GMAT prep , this is the scariest.. Mind you not the toughest but still the scariest



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Bunuel wrote: carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1) 2x + y = 73 2) 5x – 3y = 1
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Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) cannot equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear. Thanks for your exp, Bunuel. That's awesome!!!
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Bunuel wrote: \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient.
Hope it's clear. Hi Bunuel, Although 5x and 3y are consecutive integers and coprime , why are x and y coprime? is it because 5 and 3 are also coprime?



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ronr34 wrote: Bunuel wrote: \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient.
Hope it's clear. Hi Bunuel, Although 5x and 3y are consecutive integers and coprime , why are x and y coprime? is it because 5 and 3 are also coprime? Let me ask you a question: if x and y shared any common factor but 1, would 5x and 3y be coprime? Wouldn't they also share that factor?
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Hi Bunuel You said GCD(x,y)= d then the relation between x and y is that, x=md and y=nd
What about LCM?



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Bunuel wrote: So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient.
Can someone break this down for me? How do we know that because 5x and 3y don't share any common factors other than 1, x and y also won't share any common factors but 1? Is it because 5 and 3 do not share any common factors?



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deerhunter wrote: Bunuel wrote: So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient.
Can someone break this down for me? How do we know that because 5x and 3y don't share any common factors other than 1, x and y also won't share any common factors but 1? Is it because 5 and 3 do not share any common factors? Think of it this way  say, x and y shared a common factor 2. Then 2 would be a factor of 5x as well as 3y. But we are given that 5x and 3y share no common factor. Hence, x and y can share no common factor.
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If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y? 1. 2x + y = 73 2. 5x – 3y = 1 Another way of solving it .Both x and y are integers . From 1: x =(73y)/2 .Since x is a integer it implies 73y =even number .73 is Odd so y is also Odd .X is even so GCM will be 1.Sufficient From 2 :5x3y =1 .They are consecutive numbers i.e .oddeven or even odd .so the GCM in this case =1 .Sufficient Option D is correct . Press Kudos if you like the solution.
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zest4mba wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
(1) 2x + y = 73 (2) 5x – 3y = 1 Question : GCD of x and y = ?Statement 1: 2x + y = 73This statement can give us multiple solutions of x and y but the important part is to notice the value of GCD in each case e.g. (y=1, x=36) GCD = 1 (y=3, x=35) GCD = 1 (y=5, x=34) GCD = 1 (y=7, x=33) GCD = 1 (y=9, x=32) GCD = 1... and so on... Finally we realize that instead of multiple solutions of x and y, their GCD is consistently 1, Hence SUFFICIENTStatement 2: 5x – 3y = 1(y=3, x=2) GCD = 1 (y=8, x=5) GCD = 1 (y=13, x=8) GCD = 1 (y=18, x=11) GCD = 1 (y=23, x=14) GCD = 1... and so on... Finally we realize that instead of multiple solutions of x and y, their GCD is consistently 1, Hence SUFFICIENTAnswer: Option Point to Learn: In all such equations with two variable you can realize that the solutions have a harmony i.e. value of variable x changes by coefficient of y and value of y changes by coefficient of x and this relation holds true in all such equation where the GCD of coefficients of x and y is 1.
If there is some common factor among coefficients of x and y then cancel the common factor and the rule holds true in those cases with modified equation.
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Banuel  I was hoping you could help me understand something.
If #1 had said 2x+y = 75 (not prime), what would using your equation tell me?
So I'd have d(2m + n) = 70
Factors of 70: 1, 70 2, 35 5, 14 7, 10
Following your logic, I could have: d = 1 OR? 2 (2m + n) = 5, 7, 10, 14, 35, 70
or is 2 the GCD? Or can you not tell because of all the potential values of 2m + n?
Thank you soooo much ahead of time for taking the time to explain.



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Here is what i did => i made the pairs of values and saw the pattern and then compiled that D is correct still not able to see a proper solution on this page some are quoting algebra and some are doing by values putting maybe chetan2u will be helpful here.. Any other methods?
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Chiragjordan wrote: Here is what i did => i made the pairs of values and saw the pattern and then compiled that D is correct still not able to see a proper solution on this page some are quoting algebra and some are doing by values putting maybe chetan2u will be helpful here.. Any other methods? Have you checked out Bunuel's solution on the first page? ifxandyarepositiveintegerswhatisthegreatest128552.html#p1053416It explains the best way to deal with this question. If you want to avoid algebra, think about it like this: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y? 1) 2x + y = 73 Say, x and y have a common factor f other than 1. If that is the case, you should be able to take f common out of the two terms on left hand side. So you will get f*something = 73 But 73 cannot be written as product of two numbers other than 1 and itself. So f MUST BE 1. Hence greatest common divisor of x and y MUST BE 1. Sufficient 2) 5x – 3y = 1 Here, 5x and 3y are consecutive integers (since difference between them is 1). Consecutive integers can share no common factor other than 1. So 5x and 3y have no common factors. This means that x and y can have no common factors (other than 1) too. Else that factor would have been common between 5x and 3y too. Hence greatest common divisor of x and y MUST BE 1. Sufficient Answer (D)
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Bunuel wrote: carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1) 2x + y = 73 2) 5x – 3y = 1
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Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) cannot equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear. Hi Bunuel, Please help me understand  is it that even if two numbers' multiples are co primes, that the numbers themselves will be co primes as well? How? Thank you.



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abypatra wrote: Bunuel wrote: carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1) 2x + y = 73 2) 5x – 3y = 1
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Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) cannot equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear. Hi Bunuel, Please help me understand  is it that even if two numbers' multiples are co primes, that the numbers themselves will be co primes as well? How? Thank you. Can you please give an example of what you mean?
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This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer.
(1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) cannot equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient.
(2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient.
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Please help me understand  is it that even if two numbers' multiples are co primes, that the numbers themselves will be co primes as well? How? Thank you.[/quote]
Can you please give an example of what you mean?[/quote]
In the explanation of the second AC, you state that 5x and and 3y dont share any other common factor other than 1 (since they are co prime), and hence x and y would also be co prime. I tried the same with an example for x and y, 2 and 3 respectively and the equation holds true. But would 5x=3y+1 result in x and y as co prime for all values of 5x=3y+1?



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Bunuel wrote: abypatra wrote: In the explanation of the second AC, you state that 5x and and 3y dont share any other common factor other than 1 (since they are co prime), and hence x and y would also be co prime. I tried the same with an example for x and y, 2 and 3 respectively and the equation holds true. But would 5x=3y+1 result in x and y as co prime for all values of 5x=3y+1?
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carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y? (1) 2x + y = 73 (2) 5x – 3y = 1 Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... A very simple way to solve this problem will be: 1. 2x is even > even +y=odd > this mean y is odd > even and odd GCD is 1 > sufficient. 2. 5x3y=1 > 2 options:  5x is even > [odd 3y=odd] and [x is even] > 3y must be odd > y must be odd > X even & Y odd > even and odd GCD is 1  5x is odd > [odd3y=odd] and [x is odd] > 3y must be even > Y must be even > X is odd & Y is even > even and odd GCD is 1 hence is both cases the GCD is 1. Sufficient.




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