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# If x is an integer, what is the value of x? (1) x^2 - 4x + 3

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17 Jan 2013, 07:11
Statement 1: If x has to be an integer only x=2 would yield a number that is less than 0. Sufficient.
Statement 2: x can take on any number of integers that would yield a number greater than 0. Not Sufficient.

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(1) reduces to (x-3)(x-1) < 0 which is possible only when x-3 and x-1 are of the opposite signs which => 1<x<3. Since x is an integer, we have a solution for x=2.

(2) reduces to (x+3)(x+1) > 0 which is possible for x < -3 or x > -1 which has many solutions, Not sufficient.

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17 May 2014, 01:05
Bunuel, very useful approach, thanks again

in the first equation,we wrote

(x-1)(x-3)<0 , so we know both terms have opposite signs, i.e

x>1 or x<3, since x is an integer, x has to be 2

However the other set is (x-1)<0 & (x-3)>0, or , x<1 or x>3, which can have many values, hence i marked statement 1 as insufficient,

for ex- x= -2 and y =4, equations becomes -3 * 1 = -3 , and it is still less than zero, hence satisfied.

Where am i going wrong?

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17 May 2014, 04:45
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Bunuel, very useful approach, thanks again

in the first equation,we wrote

(x-1)(x-3)<0 , so we know both terms have opposite signs, i.e

x>1 or x<3, since x is an integer, x has to be 2

However the other set is (x-1)<0 & (x-3)>0, or , x<1 or x>3, which can have many values, hence i marked statement 1 as insufficient,

for ex- x= -2 and y =4, equations becomes -3 * 1 = -3 , and it is still less than zero, hence satisfied.

Where am i going wrong?

How can x be simultaneously less than 1 and more than 3 for (x-1)(x-3)<0 ?

One of the ways of solving quadratic inequalities is given here: if-x-is-an-integer-what-is-the-value-of-x-1-x-2-4x-94661.html#p731476

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16 Jun 2014, 03:15
hi.
Just wondering whether 1/0 will be an integer?

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16 Jun 2014, 04:36
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Just wondering whether 1/0 will be an integer?

Division by 0 is not allowed, thus 1/0 is undefined. So the answer to your question is - no.
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22 Jun 2014, 05:17
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If $$x$$ is an integer, what is the value of $$x$$ ?

(1) $$x^2 - 4x + 3 < 0$$
(2) $$x^2 + 4x +3 > 0$$

IMO A

1st equation gives (x-1)*(x-3) <0 which is only possible when x=2

2nd gives (x+1)*(x+3) > 0 which is possible when x< -3 and x> -1 thus multiple values.

Thus A

OA pls.

Hi Gurpreet ,

Can you please explain how did you did you say from the second statement that x <- 3and x> -1 ?

The factors of the equation would be -1 and -3 how how do we know the sign for x ... (I have read many forms but can't understand)

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22 Jun 2014, 06:24
gauravsoni wrote:
gurpreetsingh wrote:
Hussain15 wrote:
If $$x$$ is an integer, what is the value of $$x$$ ?

(1) $$x^2 - 4x + 3 < 0$$
(2) $$x^2 + 4x +3 > 0$$

IMO A

1st equation gives (x-1)*(x-3) <0 which is only possible when x=2

2nd gives (x+1)*(x+3) > 0 which is possible when x< -3 and x> -1 thus multiple values.

Thus A

OA pls.

Hi Gurpreet ,

Can you please explain how did you did you say from the second statement that x <- 3and x> -1 ?

The factors of the equation would be -1 and -3 how how do we know the sign for x ... (I have read many forms but can't understand)

Have you checked this post: if-x-is-an-integer-what-is-the-value-of-x-1-x-2-4x-94661.html#p731476 and this: if-x-is-an-integer-what-is-the-value-of-x-1-x-2-4x-94661-20.html#p1365336 ?
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22 Jun 2014, 12:52
Bunuel wrote:
gauravsoni wrote:
gurpreetsingh wrote:
If $$x$$ is an integer, what is the value of $$x$$ ?

(1) $$x^2 - 4x + 3 < 0$$
(2) $$x^2 + 4x +3 > 0$$

IMO A

1st equation gives (x-1)*(x-3) <0 which is only possible when x=2

2nd gives (x+1)*(x+3) > 0 which is possible when x< -3 and x> -1 thus multiple values.

Thus A

OA pls.

Hi Gurpreet ,

Can you please explain how did you did you say from the second statement that x <- 3and x> -1 ?

The factors of the equation would be -1 and -3 how how do we know the sign for x ... (I have read many forms but can't understand)

Have you checked this post: if-x-is-an-integer-what-is-the-value-of-x-1-x-2-4x-94661.html#p731476 and this: if-x-is-an-integer-what-is-the-value-of-x-1-x-2-4x-94661-20.html#p1365336 ?[/quote]

Thanks Bunuel, The second link with the graphical approach made everything very clear. I have been struggling to figure out how this works. Thanks again.

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24 Aug 2014, 12:19
Hi Bunuel,
Can I safely deduce the following

When (x+3)(x+1) = 0 , There are exactly two solutions

When (x+3) (x+1)> 0 , there are multiple solutions. Because by putting any positive value of x I can get >0

When (x+3) (x+1)<0, Either (x+3) or (x+1) has to be negative and obviously none can be Zero. In that case to make negative I can take only one value which is -2.

I don't want to concentrate on graphical method. Will the approach work for these types of questions always?

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24 Aug 2014, 12:24
Raihanuddin wrote:
Hi Bunuel,
Can I safely deduce the following

When (x+3)(x+1) = 0 , There are exactly two solutions

When (x+3) (x+1)> 0 , there are multiple solutions. Because by putting any positive value of x I can get >0

When (x+3) (x+1)<0, Either (x+3) or (x+1) has to be negative and obviously none can be Zero. In that case to make negative I can take only one value which is -2.

I don't want to concentrate on graphical method. Will the approach work for these types of questions always?

That's not correct.

(x + 3)(x + 1) > 0 means that x < -3 or x > -1.
(x + 3)(x + 1) < 0 means that -3 < x < -1.
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24 Aug 2014, 12:42
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Hi Bunuel,
Can I safely deduce the following

When (x+3)(x+1) = 0 , There are exactly two solutions

When (x+3) (x+1)> 0 , there are multiple solutions. Because by putting any positive value of x I can get >0

When (x+3) (x+1)<0, Either (x+3) or (x+1) has to be negative and obviously none can be Zero. In that case to make negative I can take only one value which is -2.

I don't want to concentrate on graphical method. Will the approach work for these types of questions always?

That's not correct.

(x + 3)(x + 1) > 0 means that x < -3 or x > -1.
(x + 3)(x + 1) < 0 means that -3 < x < -1.

So for the 1st one value can be -4, -5....... or can be 0, 1, 2,...... and can be fraction also.
For the 2nd one only -2 if integer but can any number in between -1 and and -3 if not integer.
Actually in the original question I have seen integer. That's why I picked integer.
If x is integer, is my reasoning correct to find answer?
So far I think I am saying the same thing you have given for the above two.

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09 Oct 2014, 04:54
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If x is an integer, what is the value of x?

(1) x2 - 4x + 3 < 0
(2) x2 + 4x +3 > 0

Given: $$x=integer$$.

(1) $$x^2-4x+3<0$$ --> $$1<x<3$$ --> as $$x$$ is an integer then $$x=2$$. Sufficient.

(2) $$x^2+4x+3>0$$ --> $$x<-3$$ or $$x>-1$$ --> multiple values are possible for integer $$x$$. Not sufficient.

Hello Bunuel, I am not sure if I followed your explanation all that clearly. I was able to get to the factors of the equation but after that, you mention about "<" symbol and as a result you arrive at $$1<x<3$$. How come? I tried to grasp your graphical approach but that did sit well either. Could you please elaborate? Thank you in advance!

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09 Oct 2014, 04:58
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Bunuel wrote:
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If x is an integer, what is the value of x?

(1) x2 - 4x + 3 < 0
(2) x2 + 4x +3 > 0

Given: $$x=integer$$.

(1) $$x^2-4x+3<0$$ --> $$1<x<3$$ --> as $$x$$ is an integer then $$x=2$$. Sufficient.

(2) $$x^2+4x+3>0$$ --> $$x<-3$$ or $$x>-1$$ --> multiple values are possible for integer $$x$$. Not sufficient.

Hello Bunuel, I am not sure if I followed your explanation all that clearly. I was able to get to the factors of the equation but after that, you mention about "<" symbol and as a result you arrive at $$1<x<3$$. How come? I tried to grasp your graphical approach but that did sit well either. Could you please elaborate? Thank you in advance!

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Bunuel wrote:
dimitri92 wrote:
If x is an integer, what is the value of x?

(1) x2 - 4x + 3 < 0
(2) x2 + 4x +3 > 0

Given: $$x=integer$$.

(1) $$x^2-4x+3<0$$ --> $$1<x<3$$ --> as $$x$$ is an integer then $$x=2$$. Sufficient.

(2) $$x^2+4x+3>0$$ --> $$x<-3$$ or $$x>-1$$ --> multiple values are possible for integer $$x$$. Not sufficient.

Hello Bunuel, I am not sure if I followed your explanation all that clearly. I was able to get to the factors of the equation but after that, you mention about "<" symbol and as a result you arrive at $$1<x<3$$. How come? I tried to grasp your graphical approach but that did sit well either. Could you please elaborate? Thank you in advance!

After spending long time on this topic, I have come to an easy solution for me. You may like it

(1) (x-3)(x-1)<0. Now use the logic. To get negative result Either (x-3) or (x-1) has to be negative and the other has to +ve

Here, (x-3) can't be positive, Because if x-3>0 then x>3 and if x>3 then x-1 will become +ve. So (x-3)(x-1) will become +ve.

Therefore, (x-3) has to be negative,x-3<0 or x<3 and and as I said earlier x-1>0 or x>1

Finally we get, 1<x<3. Sufficient because 2 is the only integer between 1 and 3.

(2) we don't need to find equation. Just by putting multiple positive values we can satisfy statement 2. So Not sufficient

Ans. A
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09 Oct 2014, 20:03
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Thanks bub. I am good with the method to solve inequalities. Do you by any chance have more questions related to Q. Inequalities, please? I've come across four such questions so far on this forum, but again, I have not done a search for them yet ... which I will do now.

For those who struggle(d) like me - try this explanation from VeritasPrepKarishma, I think she hit the nail square on the head.
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Bunuel wrote:

Thanks bub. I am good with the method to solve inequalities. Do you by any chance have more questions related to Q. Inequalities, please? I've come across four such questions so far on this forum, but again, I have not done a search for them yet ... which I will do now.

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"]If x is an integer, what is the value of x?

(1) x2 - 4x + 3 < 0
(2) x2 + 4x +3 > 0

Given: $$x=integer$$.

(1) $$x^2-4x+3<0$$ --> $$1<x<3$$--> as $$x$$ is an integer then $$x=2$$. Sufficient.

(2) $$x^2+4x+3>0$$ --> $$x<-3$$ or $$x>-1$$ --> multiple values are possible for integer $$x$$. Not sufficient.

With reference to your statement $$1<x<3$$ above, I calculated the range as $$x<1$$ or $$x<3$$
What I did wrong?[/quote]

How to solve quadratic inequalities - Graphic approach.

$$x^2-4x+3<0$$ is the graph of parabola and it look likes this:
Attachment:
en.plot (1).png

Intersection points are the roots of the equation $$x^2-4x+3=0$$, which are $$x_1=1$$ and $$x_2=3$$. "<" sign means in which range of $$x$$ the graph is below x-axis. Answer is $$1<x<3$$ (between the roots).

If the sign were ">": $$x^2-4x+3>0$$. First find the roots ($$x_1=1$$ and $$x_2=3$$). ">" sign means in which range of $$x$$ the graph is above x-axis. Answer is $$x<1$$ and $$x>3$$ (to the left of the smaller root and to the right of the bigger root).

This approach works for any quadratic inequality. For example: $$-x^2-x+12>0$$, first rewrite this as $$x^2+x-12<0$$ (so that the coefficient of x^2 to be positive. It's possible to solve without rewriting, but easier to master one specific pattern).

$$x^2+x-12<0$$. Roots are $$x_1=-4$$ and $$x_1=3$$ --> below ("<") the x-axis is the range for $$-4<x<3$$ (between the roots).

Again if it were $$x^2+x-12>0$$, then the answer would be $$x<-4$$ and $$x>3$$ (to the left of the smaller root and to the right of the bigger root).

Hope it helps.[/quote]

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Bunuel wrote:
dimitri92 wrote:
If x is an integer, what is the value of x?

(1) x2 - 4x + 3 < 0
(2) x2 + 4x +3 > 0

Given: $$x=integer$$.

(1) $$x^2-4x+3<0$$ --> $$1<x<3$$ --> as $$x$$ is an integer then $$x=2$$. Sufficient.

(2) $$x^2+4x+3>0$$ --> $$x<-3$$ or $$x>-1$$ --> multiple values are possible for integer $$x$$. Not sufficient.

I understand this but I have problem when I start plugging values in 1.
when x =0 => 0 -0+ 3 < 0 implies NO
when x=1 => 1-4 +3 < 0 NO
when x =2 => 4 -8 +3 =-1 < 0 is YES
since we can have multiple values of x, isn't that statement should be insufficient.

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