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If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

(1) −|x|=y

(2) −|y|=x
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If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

xy≠0 implies that neither of them is 0.

(1) −|x|=y. Notice that this implies that y must be a negative number.

If \(x>0\), then \(-x=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).
If \(x<0\), then \(-(-x)=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(2) −|y|=x. Notice that this implies that x must be a negative number.

If \(y>0\), then \(-y=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=1\).
If \(y<0\), then \(-(-y)=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) we have that x is a negative number, then from (1) -|x|=y, becomes -(-x)=y --> x=y --> x/y=1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.
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What I did was

Statement 1

y + |x| = 0, since x and y are different from zero then it means that x = -y

So the value of -y/y = -1

Sufficient

Statement 2

x+|y|=0, means that y= -x

So the value of -x/x = -1

Sufficient

Hence D

Must be something wrong with this approach, or I may be overlooking something
Would anybody please clarify

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If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

xy≠0 implies that neither of them is 0.

(1) −|x|=y. Notice that this implies that y must be a negative number.

If \(x>0\), then \(-x=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).
If \(x<0\), then \(-(-x)=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=1\) and \(y=-1\).


Not sufficient.

(2) −|y|=x. Notice that this implies that x must be a negative number.

If \(y>0\), then \(-y=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=1\).
If \(y<0\), then \(-(-y)=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) we have that x is a negative number, then from (1) -|x|=y, becomes -(-x)=y --> x=y --> x/y=1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


Hi Bunuel

I could not really understand how the values of 'x' were obtained in the 1st highlighted text.
From Statement 1, 'y' has to be a negative number. Then, are the values for 'x' to be obtained only by having 'y' as a negative number?

In the 2nd highlighted text, don't we have to consider the value of 'y' too?

Thanks in advance.
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Bunuel wrote:
If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

xy≠0 implies that neither of them is 0.

(1) −|x|=y. Notice that this implies that y must be a negative number.

If \(x>0\), then \(-x=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).
If \(x<0\), then \(-(-x)=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=1\) and \(y=-1\).


Not sufficient.

(2) −|y|=x. Notice that this implies that x must be a negative number.

If \(y>0\), then \(-y=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=1\).
If \(y<0\), then \(-(-y)=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) we have that x is a negative number, then from (1) -|x|=y, becomes -(-x)=y --> x=y --> x/y=1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


Hi Bunuel

I could not really understand how the values of 'x' were obtained in the 1st highlighted text.
From Statement 1, 'y' has to be a negative number. Then, are the values for 'x' to be obtained only by having 'y' as a negative number?

In the 2nd highlighted text, don't we have to consider the value of 'y' too?

Thanks in advance.


If you look at St 1 we are given that −|x|=y or y+|x|=0 -----------> 1

Some important properties about |x|

When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\);

Also note that \(|X|\geq{0}\)

So from St 1 we have y + (Some positive no. x)= 0 -----> y is a negative no.

Now we need to find \(x/y\) and not \(|x|/y\) and therefore you need to know x to calculate value of y. What you know from St 1 is that y is a negative no but you don't know whether x is a negative or positive no.

Similarly St 2 −|y|=x means x+|y|=0 ------> This means x is a negative no. but we don't know anything about y. It can be positive or negative

Now when you combine the 2 statements you get both x and y are negative and x=y and thus x/y= 1

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Hi bunuel
Please let me know the concept behind answer choice c.
I got how answer choice a & b can not deliver single option.
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Hi bunuel
Please let me know the concept behind answer choice c.
I got how answer choice a & b can not deliver single option.
thank you in advance.


Absolute value properties:

When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\)
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Bunuel wrote:
If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

xy≠0 implies that neither of them is 0.

(1) −|x|=y. Notice that this implies that y must be a negative number.

If \(x>0\), then \(-x=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).
If \(x<0\), then \(-(-x)=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(2) −|y|=x. Notice that this implies that x must be a negative number.

If \(y>0\), then \(-y=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=1\).
If \(y<0\), then \(-(-y)=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) we have that x is a negative number, then from (1) -|x|=y, becomes -(-x)=y --> x=y --> x/y=1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


I have a little question.
So let's use values for both the statements,
Statement 1: -|x| = y
This means that y is a negative integer, but the magitude is same for both x and y.
Now since x cannot be equal to y, therefore x will be the same number but in positive.
For example, if y= -3, x will have to be +3 because otherwise if it is -3, then x and y will be exactly the saem which shouldn't be.
Thus x/y will definitely be equal to -1.
Thus statement is sufficient.
Similarly, statement 2 is also sufficient.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

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Bunuel wrote:
If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

xy≠0 implies that neither of them is 0.

(1) −|x|=y. Notice that this implies that y must be a negative number.

If \(x>0\), then \(-x=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).
If \(x<0\), then \(-(-x)=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(2) −|y|=x. Notice that this implies that x must be a negative number.

If \(y>0\), then \(-y=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=1\).
If \(y<0\), then \(-(-y)=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) we have that x is a negative number, then from (1) -|x|=y, becomes -(-x)=y --> x=y --> x/y=1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


I have a little question.
So let's use values for both the statements,
Statement 1: -|x| = y
This means that y is a negative integer, but the magitude is same for both x and y.
Now since x cannot be equal to y, therefore x will be the same number but in positive.
For example, if y= -3, x will have to be +3 because otherwise if it is -3, then x and y will be exactly the saem which shouldn't be.
Thus x/y will definitely be equal to -1.
Thus statement is sufficient.
Similarly, statement 2 is also sufficient.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

Please give KUDOS, if you like my effort. :)


Why cannot x and y be equal? Note here that unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, different variables CAN represent the same number.
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Bunuel wrote:
rekhabishop wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
If x·y≠0, what is the value of x/y?

xy≠0 implies that neither of them is 0.

(1) −|x|=y. Notice that this implies that y must be a negative number.

If \(x>0\), then \(-x=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).
If \(x<0\), then \(-(-x)=y\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(2) −|y|=x. Notice that this implies that x must be a negative number.

If \(y>0\), then \(-y=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=-1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=1\).
If \(y<0\), then \(-(-y)=x\) --> \(\frac{x}{y}=1\), for example, consider \(x=-1\) and \(y=-1\).

Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since from (2) we have that x is a negative number, then from (1) -|x|=y, becomes -(-x)=y --> x=y --> x/y=1. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

Hope it's clear.


I have a little question.
So let's use values for both the statements,
Statement 1: -|x| = y
This means that y is a negative integer, but the magitude is same for both x and y.
Now since x cannot be equal to y, therefore x will be the same number but in positive.
For example, if y= -3, x will have to be +3 because otherwise if it is -3, then x and y will be exactly the saem which shouldn't be.
Thus x/y will definitely be equal to -1.
Thus statement is sufficient.
Similarly, statement 2 is also sufficient.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

Please give KUDOS, if you like my effort. :)


Why cannot x and y be equal? Note here that unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, different variables CAN represent the same number.


Sorry, my bad. I read X*Y not equal to zero as, X-Y not equal to zero. :-D
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