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[quote="kahipz"]Images from ground-based telescopes are invariably distorted by the Earth's atmosphere. Orbiting space telescopes, however, operating above Earth's atmosphere, should provide superbly detailed images. Therefore, ground-based telescopes will soon become obsolete for advanced astronomical research purposes.

Which of the following statements, if true, would cast the most doubt on the conclusion drawn above?

(D) When large-aperture telescopes are located at high altitudes near the equator, they permit the best Earth-based observations of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, a prime target of astronomical research.

(E) Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.

We are asked to weaken the conclusion. So, shouldn't our priority be to weaken the conclusion than to weaken any other premise in the argument.

Option D: When large-aperture telescopes are located at high altitudes near the equator, they permit the best Earth-based observations of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, a prime target of astronomical research.
It clearly weakens the statement that Ground-Based Telescopes will become obsolete, tough prime target of astronomical research may or may not be regarded as advanced astronomical research.

Option E: Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.
It is no where mentioned that Ground-Based Telescopes have better light-gathering capacity than Orbiting Space telescopes. Maybe, light-gathering capacity of Ground-Based Telescopes is even poor. We are not given any information at all. To infer that Ground-Based telescopes have better light-gathering capacity, one needs to know how visual scopes work - A ray of light falls on the subject and reflects toward the lens.

I know I am missing something, but can't figure it out. Can anyone help?
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Images from ground-based telescopes are invariably distorted by the Earth's atmosphere. Orbiting space telescopes, however, operating above Earth's atmosphere, should provide superbly detailed images. Therefore, ground-based telescopes will soon become obsolete for advanced astronomical research purposes.

Which of the following statements, if true, would cast the most doubt on the conclusion drawn above?

(D) When large-aperture telescopes are located at high altitudes near the equator, they permit the best Earth-based observations of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, a prime target of astronomical research.

(E) Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.

We are asked to weaken the conclusion. So, shouldn't our priority be to weaken the conclusion than to weaken any other premise in the argument.

Option D: When large-aperture telescopes are located at high altitudes near the equator, they permit the best Earth-based observations of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, a prime target of astronomical research.
It clearly weakens the statement that Ground-Based Telescopes will become obsolete, tough prime target of astronomical research may or may not be regarded as advanced astronomical research.

Option E: Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.
It is no where mentioned that Ground-Based Telescopes have better light-gathering capacity than Orbiting Space telescopes. Maybe, light-gathering capacity of Ground-Based Telescopes is even poor. We are not given any information at all. To infer that Ground-Based telescopes have better light-gathering capacity, one needs to know how visual scopes work - A ray of light falls on the subject and reflects toward the lens.

I know I am missing something, but can't figure it out. Can anyone help?


Ground based telescopes - old, Space telescopes - new

Option (D) only tells us which telescope is the best ground based telescope. But it is not given that it is better than space telescopes. The argument tells us that images from ground based telescopes are definitely distorted. So images from 'large-aperture telescopes located at high altitudes near the equator' would also be distorted. Space telescopes are better.

Note that either you can have ground based telescopes or space telescopes. There is nothing else possible. What is not on the ground is above ground (in space). One specific use for which telescopes are used today (astronomers rely on Detailed spectral analyses) needs more light gathering capacity than space telescopes. So ground based telescopes must be providing those.
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Really not able to convince how option E is the correct answer.

we need to assume more to chose this.

Experts please help, why 'B' is wrong


The conclusion is about a causal relation:

Space telescopes are better in one feature, and HENCE they will make earth telescopes obsolete.

Stating a negative feature of the space telescopes attacks this causal relation (though it may not directly attack the possibility that earth telescope will be obsoleted). Because space telescopes has a negative feature they will NOT be able to make the earth satellites obsolete.

If one considers "ground-based telescopes will soon become obsolete" the conclusion then your point is definitely valid. But if one considers "Superior feature of space telescope will cause ground-based telescopes to be obsolete", then option E is correct. In GMAT this causal relation as a conclusion is often tested.

For the same reason stated above option B is wrong. It does not attack the causal relation, but only supports why earth based telescopes may not be obsoleted. (Moreover, the condition that was used to prove that Space telescopes will replace earth telescopes, still holds good - even after mounting the telescopes on higher grounds, the distortion will not be eliminated, and hence the space telescopes still remain better of the two - nonetheless, this does not play any role in attacking the causal relation.)



Hey,

I have a question regarding choice E.
Stating that space telescopes are not adapted for certain purposes does not imply that ground-based telescopes are. There is no mention of the fact that ground-based telescope is able to capture more light.

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I have a question regarding choice E.
Stating that space telescopes are not adapted for certain purposes does not imply that ground-based telescopes are. There is no mention of the fact that ground-based telescope is able to capture more light.

Please help

Hi Wal1708,

Let's put some of the information given in the stimulus and in option E down:

1. Astronomers rely on DSA. This means that astronomers are already using DSA to determine the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars.
2. Space telescopes cannot provide DSA; DSA can be provided only by telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide. So DSA needs non-space telescopes.

Because astronomers are already using DSA, and space telescopes can't do DSA, astronomers must be using telescopes that are not space telescopes. Such telescopes must be terrestrial (the opposite of space). Hence E is quite solid as an answer choice.
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I am not satisfied with E just because it doesn't mention ground based telescopes specifically to be superior than space based telescopes, it just states a flaw in space based telescopes which can be fulfilled by any other telescope but do we know that specific superior telescope is the ground based telescope?
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Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.

This does not state that ground-based telescopes are providing with the more light-gathering capacity required? How does one understand that?

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saby1410, aritrar4, mk96, enigma1504 - Missed some tags to this question. Here is a detailed analysis. Hope you find it useful.

Images from ground-based telescopes are invariably distorted by the Earth's atmosphere (in some way, whether winds, dust etc)

Orbiting space telescopes (above Earth's atmosphere) should provide superbly detailed images. Note the use of "should" - presumably because Earth's atmosphere does not interfere in their working. Does it actually happen, we don't know.

Conclusion: Ground-based telescopes will soon become obsolete for advanced astronomical research purposes.

We need to weaken that ground based telescopes will become obsolete. They may have a disadvantage to space telescope but they may have some advantage too. Let's look at the options.

(A) An orbiting space telescope due to be launched this year is far behind schedule and over budget, whereas the largest ground-based telescope was both within budget and on schedule.

Irrelevant. There is no implication here that orbiting telescopes are far more expensive and difficult to launch. We are just told about this year's project is lagging while the project of ground telescope was on time and budget. We don't know what budget was allocated to each project.

(B) Ground-based telescopes located on mountain summits are not subject to the kinds of atmospheric distortion which, at low altitudes, make stars appear to twinkle.

So one kind of atmospheric distortion (which makes stars appear to twinkle) can be taken care of by placing the ground based telescopes on mountain summits. But does this take care of all atmospheric distortions? Does it make ground based telescopes relevant? We don't know. So will ground based telescopes become obsolete? Can't say.

(C) By careful choice of observatory location, it is possible for large-aperture telescopes to avoid most of the kind of wind turbulence that can distort image quality.

So another kind of issue can be taken care of by carefully choosing location. So again, does this mean ground based telescope will stay relevant? Cannot say.

(D) When large-aperture telescopes are located at high altitudes near the equator, they permit the best Earth-based observations of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, a prime target of astronomical research.

How we get the best "Earth based observations" is irrelevant.

(E) Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.

A certain method which is used by astronomers to find data about stars requires telescope with more light gathering capacity than space telescopes. For at least this application then, ground telescopes will remain relevant. It is a method used by astronomers so it is reasonable to assume that ground based telescopes provide this facility. Else, how do the astronomers use detailed spectral analyses? After all, astronomers rely on it for determining the history of stars.
Hence it weakens that ground based telescopes will soon become obsolete for advanced astronomical research purposes.

Answer (E)



I agree with whoever had this question. This option E still does not explain whether ground based telescopes have better light-gathering capacity than space telescope. I eliminated this answer choice right away because it does not deal with 'ground based telescopes" , although some other answer choices might have not dealt with the space telescope comparison.
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In general, fighting the official answers is not a great route to success! It usually means we're missing something important. In this case, there's a key detail to watch. In the argument, ground-based telescopes are already established, whereas space-based telescopes are something new about which the author is making a prediction. Now, look at E. It says that astronomers already rely on spectral analyses. So these must be getting done! If space-based telescopes can't be used for this purpose, then clearly ground-based telescopes can. Honestly, even without this, E would work, since the right answer just has to introduce some doubt--it doesn't have to PROVE the author wrong. But with this observation in place, E is much more definitive. There's a clear need that ground telescopes can fulfill and space telescopes cannot.

By the way, I should add that Karishma covered this same point a few posts up:

KarishmaB wrote:

Note that either you can have ground based telescopes or space telescopes. There is nothing else possible. What is not on the ground is above ground (in space). One specific use for which telescopes are used today (astronomers rely on Detailed spectral analyses) needs more light gathering capacity than space telescopes. So ground based telescopes must be providing those.
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[quote="kahipz"]Images from ground-based telescopes are invariably distorted by the Earth's atmosphere. Orbiting space telescopes, however, operating above Earth's atmosphere, should provide superbly detailed images. Therefore, ground-based telescopes will soon become obsolete for advanced astronomical research purposes.

Which of the following statements, if true, would cast the most doubt on the conclusion drawn above?


(A) An orbiting space telescope due to be launched this year is far behind schedule and over budget, whereas the largest ground-based telescope was both within budget and on schedule.

(B) Ground-based telescopes located on mountain summits are not subject to the kinds of atmospheric distortion which, at low altitudes, make stars appear to twinkle.

(C) By careful choice of observatory location, it is possible for large-aperture telescopes to avoid most of the kind of wind turbulence that can distort image quality.

(D) When large-aperture telescopes are located at high altitudes near the equator, they permit the best Earth-based observations of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, a prime target of astronomical research.

(E) Detailed spectral analyses, upon which astronomers rely for determining the chemical composition and evolutionary history of stars, require telescopes with more light-gathering capacity than space telescopes can provide.


I think the key part to this question is the word “invariably”, which means “in every case or on every occasion; always.”
Thus, the passage states that ground-based telescopes will always output distorted images, maybe to a lesser or greater extent than others.
Now, the conclusion is “ground-based telescopes will soon become obsolete for advanced astronomical research purposes.”, i.e., there will be no use of ground-based telescopes which space telescopes cannot perform in a better manner.
A. One instance of delay and budget overruns is not enough to doubt the conclusion. All other space telescopes may be under budget and on time, we do not know.
B. Eliminates on kind of distortion. There might be other kinds. Also, the comparison is between telescopes at low altitude vs telescopes at high altitudes. No comparison with space-based telescopes. Space telescopes are still superior, so this option is not a weakener
C. “most of the kind of wind turbulence”. Not all. Still space based telescopes are superior as they have zero atmospheric distortion. Still not a weakener
D. No relation to the conclusion of the argument. No relation to the fact of “atmospheric distortion”

E. Now we have an instance where ground-based telescopes are superior to space-based telescopes. Thus, for the mentioned specific kind of research, ground-based telescopes are always required. Thus they cannot become obsolete.
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