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# In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women,

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12 Aug 2013, 11:28
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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.

In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".
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26 Aug 2013, 03:27
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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.

In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".

Hi GMATPILL,

By your explanation ,it implies that whenever their is a choice that has to be made between

Noun+Noun Modifier modifying NOUN(Object case)
and
-ING modifier modifying the NOUN(Subject case)

Noun+Noun Modifier Wins.

Is that the case or I have perceived it wrongly.

Please advise as I have the same doubt as to why -ING (B) was not the best option?

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02 Oct 2013, 11:34
eyunni wrote:
In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

In option A and B comma + ING would modify the entire clause and would go back to subject .
Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing
So how Lucretia Mott published ? Ans is By arguing -- incorrect meaning .
C,D,and E have a modifier but only in option E for equal political and legal rights for women || for changes in the married women’s property laws.
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07 Jan 2014, 01:46
eyunni wrote:
In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

published is in past participle form, so we need past participle.. A/B/C/D gone, only E has "argued".. 25 seconds.

EDIT: I do not understand why the above discussion does not bring this fact up? Of course, if the sentence is introduced in past tense, we cannot jump into present tense (either in simple present or present participle), right? It makes no sense and surely distorts the intended meaning.

When we have "that argued" - especially in ONE of the five answer choices - that indicated to us that the intended meaning is NOT distorted. The author introduces some anecdote about a past event, and keeps on talking in past tense..

Is this approach flawed, since I did not attack this question by going at modifiers?

(Of course, we could attack C/D for the possesive form women's distorting intended meaning also, this is also not related to modifiers per se)
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In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

It is a case of parallelism : the treatise argued for X and for Y
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01 Jul 2014, 04:07
A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
Modifier error . the book name does not argue
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
same error as above
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
missing 'for' in first part of the sentence .Not parallel.
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
missing 'for' in first part of the sentence .Not parallel.
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
CORRECT
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16 Jan 2015, 12:22
Modifier/parallalism
In 1850, Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. modifier error
B same as A
C parallelism error: advocates and for changes
D parallelism error: advocating and for changes
E fixes parallism

Best Choice: E

eyunni wrote:
In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights ( since after comma, it is modifying discourse on women which can not argue for himself -wrong )
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women (same as A)
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights (modifier error has been resolved but if you see non underlined part it is in past so wrong)
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights (same as c-wrong)
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women (Bingo- resolved modifier error and sentence is in past tense -correct)

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22 Feb 2015, 08:53
In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
Incorrect. Ambiguous (arguing is referring to Discourse on Women or Lucretia?). Also quite wordy.
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
Incorrect. Ambiguous (arguing is referring to Discourse on Women or Lucretia?).
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
Incorrect. Not parallelism with the preposition phrase "...for changes in the married"
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
Incorrect. Not parallelism with the preposition phrase "...for changes in the married"
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
Correct.
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26 Apr 2015, 10:26
One more reason why verb+ing "arguing" in A & B is wrong because the ing-modifier doesn't make sense here. ing-modifer is attached to subject of a clause and modifies the whole clause be either proving the immediate results of previous clause or providing more information about clause. None of these conditions are met here.
Hence the usage of ing-modifier is wrong. The Absolute modifier makes more sense modifying the Disclose....

Experts please jump in if my thought process is wrong.
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20 May 2015, 02:13
1st POE:- A and B have misplaced modifier "arguing in a treatise" does not modify "Discourse on Women" correctly. So A & B eliminated

2nd POE:- In E "a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women " is parallel to "for changes in the married women’s property laws".
So E is the correct answer

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30 Jun 2015, 21:16
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In the original sentence, the way " a treatise" has been used gives an impression that treatise and "Discourse on Women" are different things, but actually both are same. C, D and E removes the error.
"Argue FOR something" is correct idiomatic use, and from the non-underlined part of the sentence ""Argue FOR" should be used to maintain parallelism. Hence, option E is CORRECT.
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights

B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women

C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights

D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights

E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

We can observe 2-3 split easily here.
Arguing and for changes are not parallel thereby violating parallelism.
Arguing in a treatise does not modify Discourse on Women instead appears that the argument is a result of Mott publishing the treatise.

Due to above reasons options A and B are not valid.

Option C is not right because that advocates and for changes are not parallel.

Option D is not right for the same reason of parallelism as in option c i.e., a treatise advocating is not parallel to for changes.

Option E is the right answer as A treatise correctly modifies Discourse on Women and for equal and sth is parallel to for changes.
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E should be the correct answer and here is how I approached it:

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

From the question stem - We know that the following phrase should define the noun ' Discourse on women'. This is our biggest clue.
With this in mind, we will see the best option:

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights The phrase doesn't define our noun properly. Clearly a publication cannot argue! Wrong

B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women Again, doesnt define the noun properly, Wrong

C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights Defines the noun clearly but doesnt follow the parallel structure from the question stem "for changes"

D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights Same as above;

E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women - This option defines the noun clearly and also follows the parallel structure of the sentence. Correct

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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Ans E
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08 Jul 2015, 04:26
A Question:
is it right to use "changes", as an action noun, and other words in this sentence such as "rights", as a concrete noun, in parallel form?
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Can we say that in choice E the part after a comma is an APPOSITIVE PHRASE ? Like in this sentence -->
Mary buys cookies made with SugarFree, an artificial sweetener, which tastes as sweet as the corn syrup ...
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Instead of getting in jargons, the question can be resolved in a simpler manner. After the comma, ‘treatise’ is preferred because it is synonymous to ‘discourse’. So, we are left with C,D and E. Now in both C and D, you have 'advocate' instead of 'argue'. So, stick to the word used in the original sentence. Avoid changing the meaning which leaves us with one answer - E.
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

I am more keen in understanding parallelism in C & E. A lot of ppl have said E is correct based on parallelism which I agree but I need some clarification on concept here.

In C, if it had been,
- a treaties that advocates for women's equal political and legal rights and (that advocates) for changes in the married.....

Would this be correct?
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