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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
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11 Jul 2007, 20:28
Well, C, D and E all have sort of modification problems.
The correct answer should be between A and B. I like B. It is shorter and more concise.
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
X published a book, arguing ... something. This is wrong for me as the meaning can stand as book was published while she was arguing !
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
Same as A. Guys ( please any Guru ) please advice for the same, I don't think I am confident in my explanation
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
[ Not parallel ]
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
[ Not parallel ]
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
Correct. Happy to see a for in both sides.
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31 Jan 2008, 09:35
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I am with B.

C , D , E are out (can't assign human traits to objects)

B says she argues in a treatise for (equal political and legal rights) for woman

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04 Apr 2011, 10:00
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Well, C, D and E all have sort of modification problems.
The correct answer should be between A and B. I like B. It is shorter and more concise.

It is E. In B, "arguing in a treatise" doesn't make any sense.
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04 Apr 2011, 18:36
Am with E for two reasons -

1) does not change the original sentence, C,D use the word ''advocates and advocating'' instead of the original ''arguing''.

2)maintains the clarity by defining what the Discourse was all about by starting with '' a treatise...''

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01 Mar 2012, 16:06
Here , arguing should modify the whole clause "Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women", but it is incorrectly associating "arguing" with "Mott".

It would have been correct , if the sentence is as follows :

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing equal political and legal rights for women and for changes in the married women’s property laws.
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10 Jul 2012, 18:28
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Can someone please explain, what is structure of sentence above.

IS it : Time , clause , modifier. Then how modifier is modifying discourse.
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10 Jul 2012, 21:24
‘Discourse on women’ is the title of Mott’s publication comprising her speeches. This publication is a called a treatise that gives information about what the publication contains and as such, it is an appositive modifier of ‘Discourse on Women
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Correct Sentence:

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

The structure of the correct sentence, which is (E), is as follows:

The phrase beginning with 'a treatise...' is an adjectival phrase modifying Discourse on Women.

Also, a 'treaty', or any document for that matter, can 'argue'.

e.g. The Declaration of Independence argued for the preeminence of men's freedom over the whimsies of tyranny.

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Experts pls explain why A and B are wrong..

I am not the expert, but i will try to give my 2cents.

A and B : arguing..... is a verb-ing modifier modifying the preceding clause. Verb-ing modifier after the clause must tell additional information about the clause or present the result of the preceding clause. However, in A and B arguing... is not providing any information about the action of publishing. Also no result of the preceding clause is presented. hence option A and B are wrong. C and D are out due to parallelism issue. option E corrects the anomaly
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05 May 2013, 22:59
Hi folks ,

I would like to have more clarity on why option (B) is not in the RACE.

-Ing forms can be used in 4 ways :

Noun(Gerund)
Verb(Prog. tense)
ADJ ( The CAT SLEEPING on floor is ill)
ADVERB(X published article,mentioning all important facts)

So LM PUBLISHED her discourse, and in the act of publish "ARGUING"......

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ADVERB(X published article,mentioning all important facts)

So LM PUBLISHED her discourse, and in the act of publish "ARGUING"......

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Hi TGC,
You are perfectly right, ING form over here is actually used to modify LM, however that is not the error here.
Error is what happens after that.
"in a treatise for women" a treatise is a formal document for some cause(here for women rights) it doesn't make sense saying "arguing in a treatise for women to have " it could have been arguing in her treatise, the construction is similar to say..for eg, "i am arguing in a book to have more rights for poor kids." I am not actually(Physically) arguing in a book. I could have said, arguing for poor kids in my book, I sought rights for poor kids. or some construction similar to that.
Let me know if that helps..
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
its seems that Mott is arguing
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
its seems that Mott is arguing
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
Parallelism error
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
Parallelism error
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
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For equal political and legal rights is parallel with for changes in the ...

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A> The construction is “arguing”+”in a treatise…” or participle + prepositional phrase. Or simply, it’s a participial phrase. Now, the participial phrase most likely modifies the subject, which is “Lucretia Mott”. Now the question is - Is Lucretia Mott arguing or is the argument in her book? When we look at the phrase “arguing in a treatise” , it is apparent that Lucretia is not arguing. Also, to+be construction is wordy. Be watchful

B> Same as above. The participial phrase as a modifier is not doing the justice.

C> An appositive “a treatise that..” is fixing the above problem. But it is introducing another problem. “a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women's property laws”. It is important to understand the construction of appositive. An appositive could be simply noun or noun+modifier. Here, we can write - a treatise (noun) that that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights (relative or adjective clause) and (a treatise) for changes in the married women's property laws (prepositional phrase). As you can see, a treatise for changes in the married women's property laws (prepositional phrase) does not make any sense. To correct this, we need (a treatise) that advocates for changes in the married women's property laws (adjective clause)
D> It is having the same problem as C. A treatise for changes in the married women's property laws (prepositional phrase) does not make any sense.
E> This answer choice fixed both problem. It introduced appositive correctly. Also, a parallelism is established with two prepositional phrases “for equal political and legal rights for women” and “for changes in the married women's property laws” that are modifying verb “argue” and act as a adverbial modifier

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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

This question had bothered me long before I figured out why it is being said that Lucretia Mott is doing two things, although with casual read one feels its one thing.

I think the most important thing to notice here is the presence of article "a" before treatise. If we were to refer to Discourse on Women then the article should have been "the", which would mean we are referring to Discourse on Women. So the sentence then should have been "arguing in the treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights

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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.

In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".
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First of all look for parallelism. " for changes in property laws " is similar to "for equal political and legal rights for women".

This brings us down to B & E.

In B , "arguing in a treatise" creates a confusion as it looks to refer not to "Discourse on Women" but to something else . Shows 2 different entities.

But in E the treatise clearly modifies the Discourse.

E it is.
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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.

In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".

Hi GMATPILL,

By your explanation ,it implies that whenever their is a choice that has to be made between

Noun+Noun Modifier modifying NOUN(Object case)
and
-ING modifier modifying the NOUN(Subject case)

Noun+Noun Modifier Wins.

Is that the case or I have perceived it wrongly.

Please advise as I have the same doubt as to why -ING (B) was not the best option?

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