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Instead of getting in jargons, the question can be resolved in a simpler manner. After the comma, ‘treatise’ is preferred because it is synonymous to ‘discourse’. So, we are left with C,D and E. Now in both C and D, you have 'advocate' instead of 'argue'. So, stick to the word used in the original sentence. Avoid changing the meaning which leaves us with one answer - E.
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I am with B.


C , D , E can't assign human traits to objects

B says she argues in a treatise

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Can I discard C on grounds on verb tense (simple present)
vs E (simple past). I am not too fond eliminating on grounds
of arguing for vs advocating for. Also the parallelism did not get
through my sight in first glance.

adkikani , you ask a good question.

I would not discard C on the basis of the present verb tense in "a treatise that advocates."
I would find other decision points.
True, the work was written in 1850, but the treatise continues to advocate today whatever it advocated in 1850.

It's a book. :)

You are correct to be wary of the simple present, though; this sentence is more about the history of what one politically active woman did a long time ago than it is about the timeless content of the book.

You do not have to decide the split presented by arguing for and advocating (no for) . . . as long as you read the whole sentence.

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

The bolded part of the sentence (which is also the non-underlined part) contains the parallelism marker AND.
The RHS of the parallel structure opens with FOR.
The LHS must also do so.
(If the RHS of a parallel structure contains a preposition, the LHS must contain one, too.
If the LHS of a parallel structure contains a preposition, though, the RHS may or may not contain that preposition.)

Only option E remains.
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

Please explain your answer.


Can someone please explain, what is structure of sentence above.

IS it : Time , clause , modifier. Then how modifier is modifying discourse.
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"arguing" is an -ing verb and so modifies Lucretia Mott, the subject of the sentence. However, it seems that "a treatise" should modify "Discourse on Women". How do we decide this? I'm confused here.


In this case you have to look at the meaning. "A treatise for women to have equal rights" - is this a description of the publication?
If so, then we disregard the possibility of the -ING verb describing Mott. Instead, you want the phrase that describes the publication.

The phrase would be either (C), (D), or (E). Since you have "In 1850" - you want past tense. So that would be (E) "a treatise that argued for equal blah blah blah".
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women



I am more keen in understanding parallelism in C & E. A lot of ppl have said E is correct based on parallelism which I agree but I need some clarification on concept here.

In C, if it had been,
- a treaties that advocates for women's equal political and legal rights and (that advocates) for changes in the married.....

Would this be correct?
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New post 26 Mar 2018, 07:24
I got the answer right but I have a doubt.

Should'nt there be a comma before "and" in "and legal rights for women" because it is the second element in the list.

If no, please explain when should comma be used with "and" when "and" is used for separating the last element in a list?
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If a list has only two elements, we do not need to put a comma; Only when the list contains more than two items, then we put a comma between each of those items and finally of course, "a comma + and" before the last thing.
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for
women to have equal political and legal rights
and for changes in the married women’s
property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women



I am more keen in understanding parallelism in C & E. A lot of ppl have said E is correct based on parallelism which I agree but I need some clarification on concept here.

In C, if it had been,
- a treaties that advocates for women's equal political and legal rights and (that advocates) for changes in the married.....

Would this be correct?



Hi kongaharsha,

Well if you pay close attention to the part " women's equal political and legal rights " I think this part is another reason why this choice is incorrect.
Why you may ask?
Women's is an adjective that is modifying 'equal political and legal rights."

So there is subtle change in meaning .
The original sentence wants to convey that the treatise argue for X for women. Its like this X does not exist for women so she wants this X for women also.

while this sentence seems to convey the treatise argue Women's X. Its like there is Men's X , and Women's X and she( is arguing for ) advovates women's X

Atleast i do see this as problem as subtle change in meaning . When i look at choice E it is much more concise and clearly communicated the intended taught of the author. .

Let me know if this helps.
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‘Discourse on women’ is the title of Mott’s publication comprising her speeches. This publication is a called a treatise that gives information about what the publication contains and as such, it is an appositive modifier of ‘Discourse on Women



Hi Daagh,

Though, I was able to tick the right option in this question, i.e. option E, I am unable to get the structure of the question.
Option E is - In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women and for changes in the married women’s property laws.
can't we say that it has two Independent Clauses joined by a comma. first clause is In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women and the second one is : a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

I am struggling with the basics please help me in clearing it.
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Sir,

Probably, you could identify the name of book that is "Discourse on women" because of first capital letter of discourse. If discourse had been written as "discourse", you would have made same mistake that I did.
Am I correct?
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‘Discourse on women’ is the title of Mott’s publication comprising her speeches. This publication is a called a treatise that gives information about what the publication contains and as such, it is an appositive modifier of ‘Discourse on Women
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women

In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights [modifier]
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women [modifier]
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights [parallelism]
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights [parallelism]
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women [correct]
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I eliminate E because I thought that A TREATISE CAN'T ARGUE but PEOPLE CAN ARGUE.
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Can I discard C on grounds on verb tense (simple present)
vs E (simple past). I am not too fond eliminating on grounds
of arguing for vs advocating for. Also the parallelism did not get
through my sight in first glance.
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First of all look for parallelism. " for changes in property laws " is similar to "for equal political and legal rights for women".

This brings us down to B & E.

In B , "arguing in a treatise" creates a confusion as it looks to refer not to "Discourse on Women" but to something else . Shows 2 different entities.

But in E the treatise clearly modifies the Discourse.

E it is. :-D


thank you for great explanation

i want to add a little.

in choice b, arguing ... is correct because it modifies the whole action and subject in the main clause. Yes, this modification is correct. many persons think this modification is incorrect. i dont think so

but choice b is still wrong because "in a treatise" makes the choice B illogic. so, arguing happen in the Discourse and in a treaties. this is wrong.

gmat cheat us in meaning analysis. so, be ready for this cheating and try to analyse meaning carefully
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights ( this present particle phrase is being used to modify the subject Mott, incorrect parallelism)
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women (couldn't find any error)
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights ( couldn't find any error other than incorrect parallelism )
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights ( incorrect parallelism)
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women( couldn't find any error)

An author can argue in his compilation, what is wrong if "arguing" modifies the author?

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sir, your help is required for this question.

why option B is not the correct choice?
is my explanation for option C correct?

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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women, arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights and for changes in the married women’s property laws.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women



egmat CAn u help in this question. Is use of "arguing in a treatise for women" is correct here??
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In 1850 Lucretia Mott published her Discourse on Women,
arguing in a treatise
for women to have equal political and legal rights and
for changes in the married women’s property laws.
The parallel list is for women and for changes – this is incorrect. It should be for equal … and for changes.
Arguing has a comma before it so it acts as a modifier for the complete clause ‘In 1850… Women’
Arguing in a treatise – is incorrect.
-Ing forms can be used in 4 ways :

Noun(Gerund)
Verb(Prog. tense)
ADJ ( The CAT SLEEPING on floor is ill)
ADVERB(X published article,mentioning all important facts)
Mott publishing and arguing at the same time is not correct.

A. arguing in a treatise for women to have equal political and legal rights
This choice is incorrect for aforementioned reasons.
B. arguing in a treatise for equal political and legal rights for women
Arguing in a treatise – is incorrect.
C. a treatise that advocates women’s equal political and legal rights
That advocates and for changes is not parallel list.
D. a treatise advocating women’s equal political and legal rights
Advocating and for changes is not a parallel list.
E. a treatise that argued for equal political and legal rights for women
Argued for equal.. and for changes is correct parallel list.
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Can we say that in choice E the part after a comma is an APPOSITIVE PHRASE ? Like in this sentence -->
Mary buys cookies made with SugarFree, an artificial sweetener, which tastes as sweet as the corn syrup ...


Yes, that's what an appositive is by definition. A phrase that modifies entity preceded by comma.
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egmat CAn u help in this question. Is use of "arguing in a treatise for women" is correct here??
Hi Piyushggmat,

No, it is not. Discourse on Women is the treatise here. Arguing in a treatise seems to suggest that there is something else that is a treatise.
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