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New post 18 Dec 2015, 12:03
The question is written wrong. Please can you correct it?

The option C should be:
When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

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New post 20 Dec 2015, 20:05
some of the moderators, pls have this question edited. looks like I'm not the only one who bumps into such errors.

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Please correct the Question. Option C: When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

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hfbamafan wrote:
In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.

A)In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,
D)Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with
E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had



Here is my explanation

A. Having sunk in 1545. Wrong tense
B. Close. But I think 'they' cannot refer to archaeologists in modifier. The antecedent should be in Main clause.
C Correct. Was recovered tense is correct because of the use of 'When'. Tricky.
D. Having sunk in 1545 wrong tense again
E. Meaning change. Finding artifacts on board cannot modify the ship.

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A)In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

Having sunk is wrong. having sunk is future perfect participle. This means it indicates an action just completed and sentence should expect an another action. here we don't have any relative action.
Read about the perfect participle clauses in the following article and you will never have any confusion with "having verb-ed".
Further which clause has no verb

http://www.grammaring.com/participle-clauses

B)Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

recovered is illegally modifying they. This seems to indicate that they is dangling pronoun.

C)When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

All good here.

D)Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with

having sunk is wrong. "finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board" should not be enclosed inside commas which makes this modifier non-essential. what follows this modifier has a direct bearing on this modifier therefore this modifier has to be essntial.

E)Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had

Finding is illegally modifying Mary rose.
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New post 18 Jan 2017, 13:15
kinjiGC: Could you please help me here?

D) Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.


Having is redundant. "Sunk in 1545" will properly modify the ship. : Why do you say that?
""Many veterans, having paid so dearly for freedom, were troubled to come back from the war only to find that a new economy dominated by industrial barons.""
I have got the above statement from nytimes, is having paid redundant too here?

Is having + verbed alway redundant?


Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, with everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.

comma + with" can act as adverbial or adjectival modifier.
Ship was recovered, with jewels on board
ship, with jewel on board, was recovered


Do above statements imply illogical meaning? I think both statement make sense here. the act of recovering with jewels or ship with jewels

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Could you please clarify this question and problem with E.
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Could you please clarify this question and problem with E.
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There seems to be some typographical errors in the question. They have now been rectified.

Option E is wrong because the modifier "Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board" wrongly refers to "Henry VIII‘s ship Mary Rose", implying that the ship itself found artifacts on board.

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I have a doubt regarding option B.

What is the antecedent of pronoun 'they'?

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warriorguy, the only possible antecedent for "they" in B is "archaeologists." Up to that point, it's the only plural noun in the sentence. However, there's a huge problem with that! Since "they" is preceded by the modifier "recovered by archaeologists in 1982," B is saying that the archaeologists were recovered by themselves! Archaeologists can recover a ship and they can recover artifacts, but I'm pretty sure they can't recover themselves, unless perhaps one of them is Indiana Jones. ;)
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warriorguy, the only possible antecedent for "they" in B is "archaeologists." Up to that point, it's the only plural noun in the sentence. However, there's a huge problem with that! Since "they" is preceded by the modifier "recovered by archaeologists in 1982," B is saying that the archaeologists were recovered by themselves! Archaeologists can recover a ship and they can recover artifacts, but I'm pretty sure they can't recover themselves, unless perhaps one of them is Indiana Jones. ;)



Thanks DmitryFarber.

I read the OE wherein it was stated that they has no antecedent. I get that logically it would be absurd but wanted to know from grammatical standpoint.

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hfbamafan wrote:
In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board, everything from arrows and longbows to a barber-surgeon's chest containing items commonly used by sixteenth-century medics.

(A) In 1982, archaeologists recovered Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which, having sunk in 1545, with more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

(B) Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose sank in 1545 and, recovered by archaeologists in 1982, they found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

(C) When Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982, archaeologists found more than 17,000 artifacts on board,

(D) Having sunk in 1545, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists, finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, with

(E) Finding more than 17,000 artifacts on board, Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose, which sank in 1545, was recovered in 1982 by archaeologists and it had

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Sorry there was an error in answer choice C now it should be right.


A is incorrect it is suggesting that ship with more than artefacts sank .It is not the intended meaning .
B is fragment we need verb
C correct
D use of with is incorrect
E this sentence does no make sense verb-ing modifier incorrectly modifies"Henry VIII's ship Mary Rose"
Verb ing modifier should modify the clause preceding or following and should denote some action because of the action of the clause which the modifier is modifying.
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