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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

a. with the simple thesis of consumers having
b. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
c. where the thsis was simple: consumers having
d. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
e. whose thesis was simple: consumers have


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What do you think is the correct answer for this question?
I get confused between B/E.
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IMO E....in B which modifies "a better world" therefore E

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Agree with E

Which modifies the better world.

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If I have to make choice, I will choose E. Yet I don't know why? Can anyone help us?

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began ( past tense ) publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

a. with the simple thesis of consumers having
b. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
c. where the thsis was simple: consumers having
d. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
e. whose thesis was (]( past tense )simple: consumers have

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

a. with the simple thesis of consumers having
b. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
c. where the thsis was simple: consumers having
d. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
e. whose thesis was simple: consumers have


Hi guys,
What do you think is the correct answer for this question?
I get confused between B/E.


Answer is E. whose can be used to modify non-person objects such as "Shopping for a Better World" in this case. It also is in the past tense with the use of "was". I originally selected A so would like someone to explain to me in what circumstances can you use the "with" and initially also thought you had to parallel the "having the power...." to " with the "refusing to buy"

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gettinit wrote:
hoogie wrote:
In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

a. with the simple thesis of consumers having
b. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
c. where the thsis was simple: consumers having
d. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
e. whose thesis was simple: consumers have


Hi guys,
What do you think is the correct answer for this question?
I get confused between B/E.


Answer is E. whose can be used to modify non-person objects such as "Shopping for a Better World" in this case. It also is in the past tense with the use of "was". I originally selected A so would like someone to explain to me in what circumstances can you use the "with" and initially also thought you had to parallel the "having the power...." to " with the "refusing to buy"


'With' creates confusion in the sentence. It's unclear who has the thesis - the council or the publication?

I didn't know that you could use 'whose' to modify non person objects. So I chose B.

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gosh..got confused btw B and E

I felt in B which is correctly modifying "Better World"...why is this wrong?

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gosh..got confused btw B and E

I felt in B which is correctly modifying "Better World"...why is this wrong?


I thought so too. But I guess 'of consumers having' is awkward.

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Werewolf wrote:
gettinit wrote:
hoogie wrote:
In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

a. with the simple thesis of consumers having
b. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
c. where the thsis was simple: consumers having
d. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
e. whose thesis was simple: consumers have


Hi guys,
What do you think is the correct answer for this question?
I get confused between B/E.


Answer is E. whose can be used to modify non-person objects such as "Shopping for a Better World" in this case. It also is in the past tense with the use of "was". I originally selected A so would like someone to explain to me in what circumstances can you use the "with" and initially also thought you had to parallel the "having the power...." to " with the "refusing to buy"


'With' creates confusion in the sentence. It's unclear who has the thesis - the council or the publication?

I didn't know that you could use 'whose' to modify non person objects. So I chose B.



Good point on the "with" usage Werewolf. Whose can modify non-person oriented items. Thanks.

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Thanks gettinit! I appreciate your help. :)

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

(a) with the simple thesis of consumers having
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have


Let's eliminate the wrong answers first:
In A, with is used wrongly here. You must use the right relative pronoun to connect the two clauses, being which or whose. So A is out.
In B, which is properly used here but what we are trying to do here is to convey that the thesis says that generally consumers have the power. When you want to express a general idea you must use the simple present tense have not having So B is out.
In C, where is not the pronoun that we need to use. Where is a relative pronoun used to describe a place not a piece of written work.
D can be eliminated for the same reason that A was eliminated.

E is your answer.

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have


Let's eliminate the wrong answers first:
In A, with is used wrongly here. You must use the right relative pronoun to connect the two clauses, being which or whose. So A is out.
In B, which is properly used here but what we are trying to do here is to convey that the thesis says that generally consumers have the power. When you want to express a general idea you must use the simple present tense have not having So B is out.
In C, where is not the pronoun that we need to use. Where is a relative pronoun used to describe a place not a piece of written work.
D can be eliminated for the same reason that A was eliminated.

E is your answer.

IMO

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So whose is not restricted to animate subjects .... Hmmm now i remember i have read about this in MGMT SC Strategy Guide ... Do you have hard and fast rule for cases when whose / whom can be used with inanimate things? ..Or it is really not the main concern and you have to look at other errors

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mariyea wrote:
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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have


Let's eliminate the wrong answers first:
In A, with is used wrongly here. You must use the right relative pronoun to connect the two clauses, being which or whose. So A is out.
In B, which is properly used here but what we are trying to do here is to convey that the thesis says that generally consumers have the power. When you want to express a general idea you must use the simple present tense have not having So B is out.
In C, where is not the pronoun that we need to use. Where is a relative pronoun used to describe a place not a piece of written work.
D can be eliminated for the same reason that A was eliminated.

E is your answer.

IMO

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So whose is not restricted to animate subjects .... Hmmm now i remember i have read about this in MGMT SC Strategy Guide ... Do you have hard and fast rule for cases when whose / whom can be used with inanimate things? ..Or it is really not the main concern and you have to look at other errors


No, whose is not restricted to animate subjects it is also used to describe inanimate objects as well.
Whose is a possessive relative pronoun.
Eg. Whose is this? Or - Is this yours? (Correct right? Right next example)
Eg. Whom is this? Or - Is this him? (Sounds like you're asking someone to recognize a man, right. That's because it is not a possessive relative pronoun)


When you want to differentiate b/n who and whom you can simply test the words like this:
Eg.
Question: To who does this belong?
Answer: It belongs to he - Clearly this is wrong.

Question: To whom does this belong?
Answer: It belongs to him - You can see that this is the right way.
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B/E
thought of B, but later realized that 'having' is wrong. Ended with E.

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this sentence alright , i get the point , this is using a noun modifier and the noun modifier must touch the noun it is modifying.
here the noun is 'shopping for a better world', and the modifier whose is touching the noun and modifying it as well , and as the rule states
noun modifier must begin with a comma so E is the answer
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noun +with phrase,
with phrase modifies that noun

in
comma+with phrase

with phrase modifies the previous clause

in this case, if with phrase is an absolute phrase, it may or may not refer to a specific noun in the main clause.

in this case, if with phrase is a normal prepositional phrase, it must refer to a specific noun while it modifies the previous clause.

is my thinking correct?

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have



THIS is a great question showing the class of authentic problem.

comma+with phrase
is never modifies the preceding/touching noun. why do we need a comma? any one see comma+with phrase modifies the preceding/touching noun in og problem, pls , speak out.

"consumer having" is distorted meaning. the intended meaning is "consumer have". this is the classical distortion gmat plays on us in nearly most of og questions.

"where" is not correct in C.

"with phrase" can be absolute phrase to modifies the previous clause, providing the context for the main clause. this situation is not correct in A . "with phrase" in the absolute pattern may or may not refer to a specific noun in the main clause, but in this sentence, both the references is incorrect.
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