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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
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(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have
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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

Let's eliminate the wrong answers first:
In A, with is used wrongly here. You must use the right relative pronoun to connect the two clauses, being which or whose. So A is out.
In B, which is properly used here but what we are trying to do here is to convey that the thesis says that generally consumers have the power. When you want to express a general idea you must use the simple present tense have not having So B is out.
In C, where is not the pronoun that we need to use. Where is a relative pronoun used to describe a place not a piece of written work.
D can be eliminated for the same reason that A was eliminated.

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27 Jan 2011, 15:47
mariyea wrote:
daryayurlova wrote:
In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

Let's eliminate the wrong answers first:
In A, with is used wrongly here. You must use the right relative pronoun to connect the two clauses, being which or whose. So A is out.
In B, which is properly used here but what we are trying to do here is to convey that the thesis says that generally consumers have the power. When you want to express a general idea you must use the simple present tense have not having So B is out.
In C, where is not the pronoun that we need to use. Where is a relative pronoun used to describe a place not a piece of written work.
D can be eliminated for the same reason that A was eliminated.

IMO

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So whose is not restricted to animate subjects .... Hmmm now i remember i have read about this in MGMT SC Strategy Guide ... Do you have hard and fast rule for cases when whose / whom can be used with inanimate things? ..Or it is really not the main concern and you have to look at other errors
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daryayurlova wrote:
In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

Let's eliminate the wrong answers first:
In A, with is used wrongly here. You must use the right relative pronoun to connect the two clauses, being which or whose. So A is out.
In B, which is properly used here but what we are trying to do here is to convey that the thesis says that generally consumers have the power. When you want to express a general idea you must use the simple present tense have not having So B is out.
In C, where is not the pronoun that we need to use. Where is a relative pronoun used to describe a place not a piece of written work.
D can be eliminated for the same reason that A was eliminated.

IMO

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So whose is not restricted to animate subjects .... Hmmm now i remember i have read about this in MGMT SC Strategy Guide ... Do you have hard and fast rule for cases when whose / whom can be used with inanimate things? ..Or it is really not the main concern and you have to look at other errors

No, whose is not restricted to animate subjects it is also used to describe inanimate objects as well.
Whose is a possessive relative pronoun.
Eg. Whose is this? Or - Is this yours? (Correct right? Right next example)
Eg. Whom is this? Or - Is this him? (Sounds like you're asking someone to recognize a man, right. That's because it is not a possessive relative pronoun)

When you want to differentiate b/n who and whom you can simply test the words like this:
Eg.
Question: To who does this belong?
Answer: It belongs to he - Clearly this is wrong.

Question: To whom does this belong?
Answer: It belongs to him - You can see that this is the right way.
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27 Jan 2011, 17:52
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thought of B, but later realized that 'having' is wrong. Ended with E.
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in
noun +with phrase,
with phrase modifies that noun

in
comma+with phrase

with phrase modifies the previous clause

in this case, if with phrase is an absolute phrase, it may or may not refer to a specific noun in the main clause.

in this case, if with phrase is a normal prepositional phrase, it must refer to a specific noun while it modifies the previous clause.

is my thinking correct?

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

THIS is a great question showing the class of authentic problem.

comma+with phrase
is never modifies the preceding/touching noun. why do we need a comma? any one see comma+with phrase modifies the preceding/touching noun in og problem, pls , speak out.

"consumer having" is distorted meaning. the intended meaning is "consumer have". this is the classical distortion gmat plays on us in nearly most of og questions.

"where" is not correct in C.

"with phrase" can be absolute phrase to modifies the previous clause, providing the context for the main clause. this situation is not correct in A . "with phrase" in the absolute pattern may or may not refer to a specific noun in the main clause, but in this sentence, both the references is incorrect.
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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

(a) with the simple thesis of consumers having -> with is an adverbial phrase and should modify the verb began. The modification doesn't make sense.
having -> verbing without any comma so should modify nearest noun which is "consumers". As "having X" is a modifier which can be junked and the sentence becomes
with a simple thesis of consumers -> Thesis is not of consumers

(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having -> same issue as above.
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having -> It should be a Independent clause and having is not a verb.
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have -> with -> same issue as that of a) and "this is a" -> extra word and not required.
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have -> Correct and whose can modify possessive form of inanimate objects.
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Why use simple past tense to describe the thesis? In my thinking, the simple past tense use to describe a fact that happened in certained time frame. Thesis from a journal needs to be in simple present. Is that correct?

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
A. with the simple thesis of consumers having
B. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
C. where the thesis was simple: consumers having
D. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
E. whose thesis was simple: consumers have

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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
A. with the simple thesis of consumers having
B. which had the simple thesis of consumers having
C. where the thesis was simple: consumers having
D. with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
E. whose thesis was simple: consumers have

all but E is clear, concise, and grammatical correct.
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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.
(a)
(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having
(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having
(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have
(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

Hi Experts mikemcgarry,

I know option A is having meaning issue. But I want to know is use of with is right here?

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Hi Experts,

Could you please let me know here use of with is right or not in option A?

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Could you please let me know here use of with is right or not in option A?

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The prepositional modifier "with...." can be used as a verb modifier to depict the meaning "accompanied by".

I came here with a lot of hope.... correct ( "with a lot of hope" modifies "came" correctly).

Similarly the following sentence would be correct:

The council began publishing X with a simple thesis. ("with a simple Thesis" correctly modifies the verb "began".)

However A is wrong because the prepositional noun modifier "of consumers having..." is incorrect.
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In 1988, the Council on Economic Priorities began publishing Shopping for a Better World, with the simple thesis of consumers having the power to change companies by the simple expedient of refusing to buy.

(a) with the simple thesis of consumers having

The 'having' modifies the customers. Therefore, the sentence implies that Council began (X) with the thesis of customers. This is quite illogical.

(b) which had the simple thesis of consumers having

This option commits the same mistake as A does. Moreover, this option uses "had" which signifies that the thesis is no more fashioned by the magazine. This idea goes against the idea presented in the question.

(c) where the thesis was simple: consumers having

"Shopping for a Better World" is not a place and therefore the use of "where" is erroneous.

(d) with a thesis that is a simple one: consumers have

"with a simple thesis" seems to be a superior way of writing the same thing.

(e) whose thesis was simple: consumers have

"whose" refers to "the Council" and the use of "was" is also justified as it is a fair possibility that the same committee doesn't exist anymore.

Option E is better than option D. Thus, option E.
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