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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

(A) In a period of time when women typically have
(B) During a time in which typically women have
(C) Typically, during a time when women
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women
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IMO D

In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

(A) In a period of time when women typically have
(B) During a time in which typically women have
(C) Typically, during a time when women
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women

Typically is an adverb and should modify the verb "had" in this case. so eliminate B,C,E. In A there is no need for "have" bcoz we r talking abt the past simple past is sufficient.

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I was not sure when the writer is making a call..

If past tense, then yes 'D' is obvious choice.

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'Have had' is present perfect tense, which is used to connect the past with the present. However in this sentence, we dont intend to do any such thing. Since we are just stating a fact that took place in the past, we will use simple tense. Hence AB out. Typically is an adverb, and adverbs modify verbs. Hence adverbs should be placed closed to the verbs they modify, in this case typically should be placed close to 'had'. Also in this case your sentence actually reads, Typically Mary Baker Eddy, which changes the meaning. DE out..C is correct answer

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Hi roshanaslam, I think you meant D.

D for me too for the reasons metnioned above.

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A tip on idiomatic usage of the prepositions in, on, and at:

In describing time, we would I was born "In 1980, in the spring, in May, on Tuesday, at 9:00," right?

Did you notice a pattern? As we move from in to on to at, we move from general to specific.

So use at to express specificity.

Other examples:

The unemployment rate is at 5%.

The students met at 252 Park Ave.
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Hi Sarai

Now between A and D. The split is - in a period of time / at a time.
(A) In a period of time when women typically have -----> I think this is wordy. The author could have said "in times when"
(D) At a time when women typically

And tense issue :
A) In a period of time when women typically have had......, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer
A)- have had means present perfect. I don't see a reason why there should be a switch from present perfect to past. Present perfect may mean "just 2 minutes ago" but in the past nonetheless.

But there is 100% reason to couple "present perfect" with "present" e.g. a situation which started in the past continues in the present. E.g
Geologists believe that the Bering land bridge, over which human beings are thought to have first entered the Americas, disappeared about 14,000 years ago [geologists used to believe, they still believe and probably they will believe in the future - so we say "human beings have entered" present perfect]

But now see this example -
The success of the program to eradicate smallpox has stimulated experts to pursue something they had not previously considered possible-better control, if not eradication, of such infections as measles and yaws.(Source: GMATPrep)

It uses present perfect with the simple past - and the sentence is correct. So it means there can be different "time frames" in the same sentence, leading to different tenses - we just know about simple past + past perfect coupling but there are many more which are valid. Am I correct?? Pls provide your feedback.

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A tip on idiomatic usage of the prepositions in, on, and at:

In describing time, we would I was born "In 1980, in the spring, in May, on Tuesday, at 9:00," right?

Did you notice a pattern? As we move from in to on to at, we move from general to specific.

So use at to express specificity.

Other examples:

The unemployment rate is at 5%.

The students met at 252 Park Ave.

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Now between A and D. The split is - in a period of time / at a time.
(A) In a period of time when women typically have -----> I think this is wordy. The author could have said "in times when"
(D) At a time when women typically

And tense issue :
A) In a period of time when women typically have had......, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer
A)- have had means present perfect. I don't see a reason why there should be a switch from present perfect to past. Present perfect may mean "just 2 minutes ago" but in the past nonetheless.

But there is 100% reason to couple "present perfect" with "present" e.g. a situation which started in the past continues in the present. E.g
Geologists believe that the Bering land bridge, over which human beings are thought to have first entered the Americas, disappeared about 14,000 years ago [geologists used to believe, they still believe and probably they will believe in the future - so we say "human beings have entered" present perfect]

But now see this example -
The success of the program to eradicate smallpox has stimulated experts to pursue something they had not previously considered possible-better control, if not eradication, of such infections as measles and yaws.(Source: GMATPrep)

It uses present perfect with the simple past - and the sentence is correct. So it means there can be different "time frames" in the same sentence, leading to different tenses - we just know about simple past + past perfect coupling but there are many more which are valid. Am I correct?? Pls provide your feedback.

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A tip on idiomatic usage of the prepositions in, on, and at:

In describing time, we would I was born "In 1980, in the spring, in May, on Tuesday, at 9:00," right?

Did you notice a pattern? As we move from in to on to at, we move from general to specific.

So use at to express specificity.

Other examples:

The unemployment rate is at 5%.

The students met at 252 Park Ave.



For all of you out there who are encountering difficulties with tenses--

Tenses Tip: Do not focus on the relationship between the verbs in different clauses. Look for the time modifier for each individual verb!!

For example: It is perfectly correct to say,

1) I danced last night and will read tonight.
2) I have danced for the past ten years and read every day.
3) I have broken my leg and will not go to work next week.
...

Sentences like these could be created endlessly-- the tenses are entirely independent of one another. They key words/phrases that describe 'when' the action happened "last", "ago", "for ten years"... etc. are what determine the tense of any given verb. (They are called 'time modifiers'.)

Any time modifier that points to a specific point in time in the past ('last', 'ago', 'in', 'on', 'at', 'when', 'until') indicates a need for the past simple.

Any time modifier that involves the present ('since', 'recently', 'lately', 'already', 'yet', 'always', 'never') indicates a need for the present perfect, which combines the present ('have'/'has') and past (V3).

"In a period" and "at a time" are both time modifiers indicating the past simple.

Hope that helps!

Best,
Sarai

For more on tenses, checkout SC Lesson 7 at gmaxonline!
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use of present tense is wrong - D and C use simple past . But C uses during which looks slightly more appropriate than at a time and hence the preferred choice
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D also looks good, anything wrong with using 'at a time'

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-At a time - is more time-specific and pin- pointing a narrow point of time, A person' s life isn't rightly measurable in such constricted sense.- During a time - gives a broader time frame and is logically, if not grammatically, preferable
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-At a time - is more time-specific and pin- pointing a narrow point of time, A person' s life isn't rightly measurable in such constricted sense.- During a time - gives a broader time frame and is logically, if not grammatically, preferable



To Daagh, since you picked C:

in C if you remove the non-restrictive clause you get:

Typically, during a time when women had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

Which doesn't make sense, does it?

Therefore D. No need to wait for OA here.
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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

A . In a period of time when women typically have
B . During a time in which typically women have
C . Typically, during a time when women
D . At a time when women typically
E . Typically in a time in which women


Typically should modify the verb. SO B,C and E are out.

IMO, OA is D

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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.
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(B) During a time in which typically women have
(C) Typically, during a time when women
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women

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Correct answer should be D, as "have had" is used to connect past to present which is not the intent of this sentence, hence option A and B are not correct. Typically is an adverb and should be placed close to "had" hence option C D are also incorrect
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(D) At a time when women typically
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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.
(A) In a period of time when women typically have
(B) During a time in which typically women have
(C) Typically, during a time when women
(D) At a time when women typically
(E) Typically in a time in which women

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Correct answer should be D, as "have had" is used to connect past to present which is not the intent of this sentence, hence option A and B are not correct. Typically is an adverb and should be placed close to "had" hence option C D are also incorrect



Hi,
I am also marking 'D' option only. But the construction of the sentence is in the past form.

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In a period of time when women typically have had a narrow range of choices, Mary Baker Eddy became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church.

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Let us begin by understanding the meaning of this sentence. Mary Baker became a distinguished writer and the founder, architect, and builder of a growing church at a time when women typically had very few choices.

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Now let’s spot the errors in the original choice:
1. This sentence is giving us general information about Mary Baker and the time when she did something. All the events must be written in simple past tense. Use of present perfect tense “have had” is incorrect.

Now let’s do the POE to find out which answer choice rectifies these errors:

A. In a period of time when women typically have: Incorrect for the reason discussed above.

B. During a time in which typically women have: Incorrect. Same verb tense error as in choice A.

C. Typically, during a time when women: Incorrect. Here “typically” is modifying “time”. This is not the intended modification.

D. At a time when women typically: Correct.

E. Typically in a time in which women: Incorrect. Same modification error as in choice C.

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