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In a village of 100 households, 75 have at least one DVD player, 80 have at least one cell phone, and 55 have at least one MP3 player. If x and y are respectively the greatest and lowest possible number of households that have all three of these devices, x – y is: A. 65 B. 55 C. 45 D. 35 E. 25
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Am I missing something here??? it seems straightforward......
The obvious maximum that have all 3 is 55, because you are limited by the SMALLEST number.
The minimum is simply the sum of the max of each people who DONT have the product, so:
10080 = 20 don't have Cell 10075 = 25 don't have DVD and 10055 = 45 don't have MP3
SO a total of 20+25+45 = 90 combined who might NOT have SOME combination of the 3 products. So subtract that from 100, to give you the minimum of the people who COULD have all 3 and you get 10090 = 10.
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Hussain15 wrote: In a village of 100 households, 75 have at least one DVD player, 80 have at least one cell phone, and 55 have at least one MP3 player. If x and y are respectively the greatest and lowest possible number of households that have all three of these devices, x – y is:
A. 65
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E. 25 For me the best way to solve this problem is not use Venn diagram or formulas but to draw simple bars (note: each dash is 5): Min overlap is 10:  80 phones;  75 DVD's;  55 MP3. Max overlap is 55:  80 phones;  75 DVD's;  55 MP3. 5510=45. Answer: C.
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hiredhanak: I am assuming you are looking for a venn diagram solution to this question.. It is pretty simple. First of all maximum number of households: We want to bring the circles to overlap as much as possible. 80  Cell phone 75  DVD 55  MP3 Lets take Cell phone and DVD circles since they will have maximum overlap. They must overlap in 55 households so that total number of households is 100. Now put the MP3 households in a way to maximize all three overlap. Attachment:
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So at most 55 households can have all 3. Now, minimum number of households: We want to take the circles as far apart from each other as possible. Now put the MP3 households in a way to minimize all three overlap. So make the MP3 households occupy the shaded region i.e. region occupied by DVD players alone and cell phone alone. You will be able to adjust 45 MP3s outside the common area but you will need to put 10 of the MP3 households in the common area. So minimum overlap is 10. Attachment:
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x  y = 55  10 = 45
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nitishmahajan wrote: Hi Bunuel,
Could you please explain how did you get the minimum over lap as 10 ?
Cheers, seekmba wrote: Hey Bunuel,
Can you please explain the min overlap part where you got 10?
Thanks Well everything is on the diagram but I'll try to elaborate: () 80 phones (black dashes represents # of people who don't have phone, so 20 people don't have phone); () 75 DVD's (black dashes represent # of people who don't have DVD, so 25 people don't have DVD); So you see that overlap of phone and DVD owners is 55 and 45 people don't have either phones or DVD's. To have min overlap of 3 let 20 people who don't have phone to have MP3 and also 25 people who don't have DVD's to have MP3. So we distributed 45 MP3 and there is no overlap of 3 yet. But 10 DVD's are still left to distribute and only people to have them is the group which has both MP3 and phone. (); (); (). Hope it's clear.
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For mainhoon and others who still didn't understand, you have to create the situation of minimum possible overlap. This is done in the way Bunuel explains it:
After the first step of distributing phones and DVDs among the 100, you get 55 as the minimum possible overlap for these 2. Now you bring in the MP3s, of which there are 55. Remember, you are trying to make sure as few people as possible get all 3  if possible, none. So, what do you do when you have 55 MP3s, and 45 people left who don't have an DVD and a phone? Distribute it among them first, naturally!
After doing that, you still have 10 left over. You are left with no choice but to distribute these among those who already have a DVD and phone. Hence the minimum overlap you can possibly achieve is 10.
This gives you the answer of 55  10 = 45.
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shs0145 wrote: Am I missing something here??? it seems straightforward......
The obvious maximum that have all 3 is 55, because you are limited by the SMALLEST number.
The minimum is simply the sum of the max of each people who DONT have the product, so:
10080 = 20 don't have Cell 10075 = 25 don't have DVD and 10055 = 45 don't have MP3
SO a total of 20+25+45 = 90 combined who might NOT have SOME combination of the 3 products. So subtract that from 100, to give you the minimum of the people who COULD have all 3 and you get 10090 = 10.
5510 = 45 i think this is the simplest way to solve this, even i did it the same way.



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Nice approach by Bunnel. Even if we have to use Venn diagram. Attachment:
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For minimum overlap, 80 and 75 will have maximum overlap and 55 will be distributed among three sections : namely 80,75 and all three Reason : If 55 have elements with no overlapping then 75 and 80 can not have max overlap. To have minimum overlap, 75 and 80 must overlap to the max. So those elements which are not part of intersection of all the three can be shared between 75 and 80. a+b+c = 80 .............1 b+c+d = 75...............2 a+c+d = 55...............3 => 55 is distributed in 3 sections.... 80 intersection 55 ; 74 intersection 55; 55 intersection 75 intersection 80. a+b+c+d = 100............4 using 4 and 1 we get d = 20 using 4 and 2 we get a = 25 using the above values of a,d and equation 3 we get c = 55 ad = 55 2025 = 10 Hence minimum is 10. For max : 75 will have 55 inside 80 will have the intersection of 75 and 55 i.e. 55 thus total becomes 55 + 20 + 25 = 100 where 55 = intersection of all the three 20 = 75 outside the intersection of 75 and 55 25 = 80 outside the intersection of 75,55,80 thus 55 is the max. xy = 5510 = 45
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suchoudh wrote: VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: Now, minimum number of households: We want to take the circles as far apart from each other as possible. Now put the MP3 households in a way to minimize all three overlap. So put it in the shaded region. You will need to put 10 of the MP3 households in the common area. So minimum overlap is 10.
Ok, and how did you get to the number 10? (25 + 20 =) 45 households have either only Cell or only DVD Player. Out of the 55 households who have MP3 Players, put 45 in these areas so that all three do not overlap. But the rest of the (55  45 =)10 households that have MP3 players need to be put in the common region consisting of 55 households that have both Cell and DVD Player. Hence overlap of all three will be 10.
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I have done it in 1:41 doing this: x= (75+55+80100z)/2 for z=0 >55 y=the same for z=100 >10 Therefore xy=45 PS: z is obviously the people who have 2 devices.
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Stay away venn diagram for problems of this kind.. The maximum number is 55, you don't need any computing for this.
For finding the minimum possible household, just find out the number of households that would not have these gadgets
Number of houses that don't have a cellphone, DVD and MP3 are, 20, 25 and 45 respectively
When there is minimum overlap the number of households that cannot have all the three gadgets together is the sum of these three numbers which is 90. So the minimum possible number of households that can have all three gadgets is 10
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Hussain15 wrote: In a village of 100 households, 75 have at least one DVD player, 80 have at least one cell phone, and 55 have at least one MP3 player. If x and y are respectively the greatest and lowest possible number of households that have all three of these devices, x – y is:
A. 65 B. 55 C. 45 D. 35 E. 25 A more algebraic approach: If we denote by \(N_2\) the number of households with exactly two types of devices, and by \(N_3\) the number of those with all three types, than we can write the following equation: \(100=75+80+55N_22N_3,\) from which we get that \(N_2+2N_3=110.\) Households with exactly two types of devices we counted twice, so we have to subtract them once. Households with exactly three types of devices we counted three times, therefore we have to remove them twice. Maximum for \(N_3\) is 55, in which case \(N_2=0\), meaning there are no households with exactly two types of devices, but only either with just one type or all three of them. Everybody who has an MP3 player, also has a DVD player and a cell phone. In order to determine the minimum number of households with exactly three types of devices, let's take a look at the possible combinations of two devices. If \(N_3\) is minimum, there should be households with exactly two types of devices but not three. All types of devices, but also those having exactly two types, explicitly DVD players and Cell Phones  If \(N_{DC}\) is the number of households that have exactly these two types of devices, then \(N_{DC}+N_3\geq75+80100=55\). All types of devices, but also those having exactly two types, explicitly DVD players and MP3 players  If \(N_{DM}\) is the number of households that have exactly these two types of devices, then \(N_{DM}+N_3\geq75+55100=30\). All types of devices, but also those having exactly two types, explicitly Cell phone and MP3 players  If \(N_{CM}\) is the number of households that have exactly these two types of devices, then \(N_{CM}+N_3\geq80+55100=35\). Adding the above three inequalities, we obtain that \(N_{DC}+N_{DM}+N_{CM}+3N_3\geq120.\) Since \(N_{DC}+N_{DM}+N_{CM}=N_2\), we get that \(N_2+3N_3\geq120.\) Taking into account that \(N_2+2N_3=110\), we obtain \(110+N_3\geq{120}\) or \(N_3\geq{10}.\) \(5510=45\) Answer C
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I have given the solution to a similar problem. Here's the solution for this problem. 1. Let C, D and M be who have cell only, dvd only and mp3 only and CD be who have both cell and dvd only and so on. 2 CDM is minimum when C+D+M=0 and maximum when CD+CM+DM=0. 3. C+D+M+CD+DM+CM+CDM=100  (1) because the total of all the mutually exclusive has to sum up to 100 which is the number of households. 4. (C+CD+CM+CDM) + (D+CD+DM+CDM) +(M+CM+DM+CDM) = 80+75+55 or , C+D+M+2CD+2CM+2DM+3CDM =210 (2) 5. (2)  (1) = CD+CM+DM+2CDM=110  (3) 6. (3)  (1) => CDM(C+D+M) =10 (4) We can find the minimum value when we put (C+D+M) = 0 above giving minimum CDM=10 7. To find maximun value equation (1) can be changed as C+D+M+CDM=100  (5) by putting CD+CM+DM=0 From (4) and (5) we have CDM=55 which is maximun CDM 8.The answer is max CDM  min CDM i.e., 5510=45 As a shortcut for this type of problems where there are 3 items , the minimum possible for all the 3 can be found out by adding the percentages of the 3 i.e., 55+75+80=210 . and subtracting 200 i.e, 210200=10 . the maximum can be found out by adding the minimum to 100 and dividing by 2 i.e., (100+10)/2 = 55. Both the answers are percentages.
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wrightvijay wrote: Where does it say that every household in the village have at least one of these three devices? There could be none of these three devices in some households.
It's not given. It is something we have derived using logic. Take a simpler case: Say you have 3 siblings (A,B and C) and 5 chocolates which you want to distribute among them in any way you wish. Now you want to minimise the number of your siblings who get 3 chocolates. No one gets more than 3. What do you do? Will you leave one sibling without any chocolates (even if he did rat you out to your folks!)? No. Because if one sibling gets no chocolates, the other siblings get more chocolates and then more of them will get 3 chocolates. So instead you give 1 to each and then give the leftover 2 to 2 of them. This way, no sibling gets 3 chocolates and you have successfully minimised the number of siblings who get 3 chocolates. Basically, you spread out the goodies to ensure that minimum people get too many of them. This is the same concept. When you want to minimise the overlap, you basically want to spread the goodies around. You want minimum people to have all 3. So you give atleast one to all of them.
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Bunuel wrote: nitishmahajan wrote: Hi Bunuel,
Could you please explain how did you get the minimum over lap as 10 ?
Cheers, seekmba wrote: Hey Bunuel,
Can you please explain the min overlap part where you got 10?
Thanks Well everything is on the diagram but I'll try to elaborate: () 80 phones (black dashes represents # of people who don't have phone, so 20 people don't have phone); () 75 DVD's (black dashes represent # of people who don't have DVD, so 25 people don't have DVD); So you see that overlap of phone and DVD owners is 55 and 45 people don't have either phones or DVD's. To have min overlap of 3 let 20 people who don't have phone to have MP3 and also 25 people who don't have DVD's to have MP3. So we distributed 45 MP3 and there is no overlap of 3 yet. But 10 DVD's are still left to distribute and only people to have them is the group which has both MP3 and phone. (); (); (). Hope it's clear. Fantastic explanation. Thanks Bunuel for your explanation and Hussain15 for posting this question.
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mittalg wrote: This is a wrong approach. Imagine you have number like 80, 75, 65 instead of 55. In this case the maximum would not be 65 as suggested but would be 60.
Even for minimum case this will not work. You have to use the approached specified above.
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Kudos if you like!! Actually the method used above is fine. You will get a max of 65, not 60. Imagine the circles one inside the other. 75 inside the 80 and 65 inside the 75. All 65 will have all 3 products. For minimum, you need to spread them as far away as possible. 80 and 75 will have an overlap of 55. So after spreading 65 on 45, you will be left with 20 which will need to overlap with the 55. Hence minimum will be 20. In the method used above, people who do not own at least one product will be 20, 25 and 35. Spread them out as far apart as possible, you get 20+25+35 = 80 Minimum number of people who must have all 3 = 100  80 = 20 So you can go with people who have products or those who don't. Either way, you get the same answer.
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Where does it say that every household in the village have at least one of these three devices? There could be none of these three devices in some households. Hi wrightvijay, It doesn't matter whether they have given the highlighted fact above or not because it's the question of maximizing and minimizing the overlapping portion which will be maximized when everything else is minimized and vice versa.
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