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In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific
conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and
emotional skills as
an active process that may be largely completed before age three.
A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is
D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as
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the subject here is the acquistion of skills...since its singular..indicating modifies findings (adverb)..only D gets it correct
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mymba99 wrote:
In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific
conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and
emotional skills as
an active process that may be largely completed before age three.
A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is
D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as


D but not confident

A has a Subj agreement error
B child acquiring language is wrong ('s)
C to indicate - meaning, conference was not hosted to indicate
D could be correct, but parallelism of hild acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills might be wrong
E indicative of doesnt sound right to me, any explanation could help

D is obv the best of the answer choices available, somethign that GMAT stresses, but IMO D has parallelism errors (gerund - nouns etc)
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Hillary Clinton...hosted a conference on...findings indicating that a child’s acquisition ............ is an active process that may be completed before age three.

Hillary Clinton...hosted a conference on...findings indicative of a child’s acquisition of X, Y and Z as an active process that may be completed before age three. --> this is wrong because we need 'that' with an essential clause. The conference is about some findings and what did those findings indicate. (The findings indicated that.....)

Hence E is wrong. I dont know if this makes sense.

In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is
D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as
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I would appreciate more explanation on this one.
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I did some research on this particular problem and found the light on the MGMAT guide.

On their IDIOM list they listed this form as WRONG: A report INDICATES unique bacteria AS present on our skin... and that GMAT prefers... A report INDICATES THAT unique bacteria LIVE on our skin

Knowing that we can easily eliminate A,B,E with the INDICATES/INDICATIVE OF... AS form
Also, "IS INDICATIVE OF" form is SUSPECT for GMAT test writers. If possible, it must be avoided.

We are now left with C and D.

C is wrong because it changes the intent of the author. It sounds like Hillary Rodman hosted the conference on new finding to indicate... But we are just looking for something that modifies or explain something about the new findings.

Answer by elimination is D.

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In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific
conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and
emotional skills as
an active process that may be largely completed before age three.
A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is
D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as
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not so easy ;) but D :)
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indicate smt as smt is idiomatically wrong , also subject-verb agreement , therefore D .
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D for me as well...

From the question stem it is clear that "an active process " has to be defined by one of the answer choices.

As per sentence D- "a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills", brings out an object acquisition to perfectly fit to complete the rest of the sentence as written in the question.
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The correct answer is D as it correctly maintains the subject verb agreement which the question is testing.
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In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills, that it is
D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as

I think I am still a little bit confused about the using of the present participles :cry:

On this example, I eliminated D because I think the "indicating"can't function as a verb by itself. If it is used as a modifier to modify the whole first sentence, a "," will be needed before the "indicating".

Can someone help me, please? :(
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In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.
A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills, that it is
D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as


On this example, I eliminated D because I think the "indicating"can't function as a verb by itself. If it is used as a modifier to modify the whole first sentence, a "," will be needed before the "indicating". Can someone help me, please? :(

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First of all, not every modifier is set off by a comma the rest of the sentence. In fact, this gets at the heart of the issue of vital vs. non-vital modifiers. See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/that-vs-which-on-the-gmat/
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... modifiers/

The word "indicating" is not a verb --- it is a participle modifying "findings", and because it's a vital modifier, no comma is needed. BTW, here's a post on participial phrases:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/participle ... -the-gmat/

BTW, notice on the GMAT's favorite SC patterns. In (A), "indicates" is a verb (although incorrectly singular), in (C) "to indicate", the infinitive, a verb form, appears, and in (D) "indicating" is a participle, that is, another verb form. By contrast, both (B) & (E) turn the verb into an adjective "indicative." The GMAT doesn't like that. The GMAT likes direct powerful language, and part of what this means is --- the action should be encapsulated in verbs. When you have a choice between action-as-verb vs. action-as-noun or -adjective, the former is almost always preferable to the latter.

Does all this make sense?

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the explanation :)

If in (A ), "indicate" is the correct verb form, and the "skill" is followed by "is" not "as", is this sentence deemed correct?

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the explanation :)

If in (A ), "indicate" is the correct verb form, and the "skill" is followed by "is" not "as", is this sentence deemed correct?

Thanks :)

No, that's not the only problem with (A). There's also an issue of idiom ----

Incorrect idiom: to indicate A as B
Correct idiom: to indicate that A is B

The word "indicate" is idiomatically followed by a full "that" clause, not by an [object]"as"[object] construction.

Does that make sense?

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Thanks Mike! The explanation is very useful :)
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Hi Mike

Thanks for the explanation. Most high scoring GMAT test takers stand on the shoulders of giants and judging by your quality and level of participation I am sure you have offered your shoulders to many.

I have gone through all of the links you posted in your explanation. My understanding is :
1. The ing form as a modifier is not only acceptable but preferred to the noun forms. Can you think of any exceptions?
2. The ing form in this case should not (as opposed to need not) have a comma for it were to have a command and we were to remove the portion that comes after the comma the sentence would make no sense.
3. The correct idiom is indicate that x is y

Are my points 1 and 2 correct?
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I have gone through all of the links you posted in your explanation. My understanding is :
1. The ing form as a modifier is not only acceptable but preferred to the noun forms. Can you think of any exceptions?
2. The ing form in this case should not (as opposed to need not) have a comma for it were to have a command and we were to remove the portion that comes after the comma the sentence would make no sense.
Are my points 1 and 2 correct?

Dear harkabir,
Thank you for your kind words.

For your statement #1, I have absolutely no idea what context you intend. The noun form of what? in what context? Please be more clear.

I would totally disagree with your statement #2. The entire issue of whether or not there's a comma has absolutely nothing to do with the nature of the specific modifier ("-ing" or something else) and everything to do with whether it's a vital noun modifier.

I drove to the city to bid farewell to my friend leaving for Germany.
No comma because the modifier "leaving for Germany" is a vital modifier --- it makes clear the identity of the "friend."

When I entered the house, I heard my mother, arguing on the phone with my sister.
Here we have a comma, because the the modifier "arguing on the phone with my sister" is not vital --- it is not needed to establish the identity of my mother.

Does this make sense?

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I have gone through all of the links you posted in your explanation. My understanding is :
1. The ing form as a modifier is not only acceptable but preferred to the noun forms. Can you think of any exceptions?
2. The ing form in this case should not (as opposed to need not) have a comma for it were to have a command and we were to remove the portion that comes after the comma the sentence would make no sense.
Are my points 1 and 2 correct?

Dear harkabir,
Thank you for your kind words.

For your statement #1, I have absolutely no idea what context you intend. The noun form of what? in what context? Please be more clear.

I would totally disagree with your statement #2. The entire issue of whether or not there's a comma has absolutely nothing to do with the nature of the specific modifier ("-ing" or something else) and everything to do with whether it's a vital noun modifier.

I drove to the city to bid farewell to my friend leaving for Germany.
No comma because the modifier "leaving for Germany" is a vital modifier --- it makes clear the identity of the "friend."

When I entered the house, I heard my mother, arguing on the phone with my sister.
Here we have a comma, because the the modifier "arguing on the phone with my sister" is not vital --- it is not needed to establish the identity of my mother.

Does this make sense?

Mike :-)


Hi Mike

Thanks for your reply :) In point 2 I meant that in Hillary Clinton example, one can not do without the comma. As regards the ing form vs the noun form I will come with some examples to illustrate my point.
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E is wrong because "indicative of X as Y" is not correct idiom. It should be "X indicative of Y". For example: behavior indicative of mental disorder.
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