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In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan out of a total population of some 116 million people.

" In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan"- non idiomatic, "In despite of" does not make sense here nor convey the intended meaning that despite a steady flow of people out of rural areas...the answer needs to convey clear meaning, be idiomatically correct, and maintain proper grammatical structure.



(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan- Correct in all areas mentioned above!
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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
Scanning vertically, there are three things mainly that differ. Refer highlighted text. But i tried to POE purely based on diction.

In A and B households are still in Japan is wrong. E kind of has similar error in meaning part as both A and B have.
In C 'Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million' does make sense till this point. If we read till the end that only then we see the error that it doesn't make sense.

In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan[/u] out of a total population of some 116 million people.

(A) In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(B) In spite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(C) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas into urban clusters, Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million

(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan - CORRECT.

(E) In Japan, despite the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, still there are nearly 5 million farm households
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In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
(D) is correct because it is the only option that uses the correct "from-to" idiom.

In option (D), the idiomatic structure is as follows: ....... from ..... to...

In all the other answer choices, the incorrect idiom expression is being used.
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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
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In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan out of a total population of some 116 million people.

(A) In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(B) In spite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(C) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas into urban clusters, Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million

(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan

(E) In Japan, despite the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, still there are nearly 5 million farm households


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I eliminated option on the basis of incorrect idioms, which I am unsure of.

1.From..into ( Apart from D every options uses this idiom )

2. Also 'Flow out' seems to be awkward.
Both reasons are not strong enough to evaluate answer choices.After going through the discussion, I could not understand why usage of phrase "still in Japan" is incorrect

Kindly help in clarifying errors.Thanks

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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
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billybealright wrote:
In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan out of a total population of some 116 million people.

(A) In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(B) In spite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(C) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas into urban clusters, Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million

(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan

(E) In Japan, despite the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, still there are nearly 5 million farm households


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I eliminated option on the basis of incorrect idioms, which I am unsure of.

1.From..into ( Apart from D every options uses this idiom )

2. Also 'Flow out' seems to be awkward.
Both reasons are not strong enough to evaluate answer choices.After going through the discussion, I could not understand why usage of phrase "still in Japan" is incorrect

Kindly help in clarifying errors.Thanks

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The correct idiom is 'flow from A to B'.
'Flow out' and 'flow from A into B' are incorrect.

In option (E), when we have 'still' right after the comma, it shows contrast. But we already have 'despite' to show contrast.

In option (D), 'still' acts as an adverb showing 'upto this time/as yet/even now'.
There are still 5 million farm households ...


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Please share your reasoning in order to cement concept regarding option D&E. Thanks
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In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
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In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan out of a total population of some 116 million people.

(A) In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(B) In spite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(C) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas into urban clusters, Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million

(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan

(E) In Japan, despite the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, still there are nearly 5 million farm households


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Use PoE because there are many splits that jump out instantly as you go through the options:

1. Flow out isnt correct use - A/B/E eliminated
2. From....into isnt correct use - A/B/C/E eliminated

Only D survives after all these incorrect usages.
Hence D is the answer
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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
Is C wrong purely from idiom perspective? I marked the correct choice too. But want to know is that the sole reason?
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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
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Is C wrong purely from idiom perspective? I marked the correct choice too. But want to know is that the sole reason?


The only problem that I could see in C that makes it outright wrong is the use of "are" with "household". Any "be" verb is followed by a predicate that defines/describes the subject. Here "5 million" cannot define/describe "households".

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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
Besides idioms,

A,B seem to mean, the 5 million are in Japan but the 111(116-5) million are not.
C should be corrected to "the number of Japan's farm households"
D is correct
E: "still there are" and "there are still" don't exactly describe the same intention.
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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
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Since our only fixed portion is at the end of the sentence, I started by looking for a way to connect our underlined portion to "out of a total population of . . . " We basically need a ratio statement: "There are 5 million out of a total population of 116 million."

A and B give us a verb phrase--"are still in Japan." This makes "out of . . . 116" a modifier for that verb phrase, and this makes no sense.


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Dear experts,

this point is not easy for me to understand, why here is very "are still in Japan", and modifier "out of ...116" is no sense?

I read this part many times, and still have no idea.

I genuinely need your help.
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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan out of a total population of some 116 million people.

(A) In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan -- 'In despite' is wrong

(B) In spite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan -- idiom error. Should be flow from rural areas 'to' urban clusters.

(C) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas into urban clusters, Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million -- idiom error. Should be flow from rural areas 'to' urban clusters.

(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan - Correct

(E) In Japan, despite the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, still there are nearly 5 million farm households -- idiom error. Should be flow from rural areas 'to' urban clusters. 'Still' is not needed when 'despite' is in the sentence.
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In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan out of a total population of some 116 million people.

(A) In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(B) In spite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, nearly 5 million farm households are still in Japan

(C) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas into urban clusters, Japan’s farm households are still nearly 5 million

(D) Despite the steady population flow from rural areas to urban clusters, there are still nearly 5 million farm households in Japan

(E) In Japan, despite the steady population flow out from rural areas into urban clusters, still there are nearly 5 million farm households


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"Despite of" is an incorrect idiom. The correct idiom is despite or in spite of. "Into" is used when something enters into some other thing. The right choice is going to the city not going into the city.
A, B, C, and E are out. D is the right answer.
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In this official question, despite is followed by a noun and a verb ,,,,,, the rule says despite needs to be followed only by noun. Can anyone please point out my mistake ?

Also, is flow out not redundant ?

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newyork2012 That's why it's important to start by eliminating answers that simply CANNOT work because they break a rule we can cite or because the meaning they create makes no sense. The GMAT will often present correct answers that don't feel quite right--think of that as the "protective camouflage" that prevents these answers from being spotted too easily.



Is the use of "flow out" not redundant? "from" rural "to" urban already shows this. What is the need for "out". We can simply use flow out no?

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Re: In despite of the steady population flow out from rural areas into [#permalink]
DmitryFarber wrote:
Since our only fixed portion is at the end of the sentence, I started by looking for a way to connect our underlined portion to "out of a total population of . . . " We basically need a ratio statement: "There are 5 million out of a total population of 116 million."

A and B give us a verb phrase--"are still in Japan." This makes "out of . . . 116" a modifier for that verb phrase, and this makes no sense.
C says that the households *are* 5 million. Households can't be a number. Also, since 5 million is a number of households and not people, the comparison that follows ends up rather jumbled. It almost sounds like the households are 5 million people.
E's trouble is a bit more subtle. What the official explanation is getting at is that we don't want to say "Despite X, still Y happens." We should say "Despite X, Y happens" or "X happens, but still Y happens."



Hi Farber!
What do you mean by "Households can't be a number"? Can you please elaborate a bit more?

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Besides idioms,

A,B seem to mean, the 5 million are in Japan but the 111(116-5) million are not.
C should be corrected to "the number of Japan's farm households"
D is correct
E: "still there are" and "there are still" don't exactly describe the same intention.


Hi philwei!
Why should C be corrected to "the number of Japan's farm households"? What is wrong with using the verb "to be" with "households"?
Thanks !!

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Is C wrong purely from idiom perspective? I marked the correct choice too. But want to know is that the sole reason?


The only problem that I could see in C that makes it outright wrong is the use of "are" with "household". Any "be" verb is followed by a predicate that defines/describes the subject. Here "5 million" cannot define/describe "households".

Cheers!


Hi Godot!
Could you please explain more in detail why "5 million" cannot define/describe "households"?

Thanks!

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