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06 Feb 2014, 00:38

another way to solve would be to find out the total ways to arrange the 8 letters and deduct those choices where the vowels are always together.

so total number of ways to arrange 8 letters would be 8!

choices where vovels are always together would be when you treat 3 vowels as one letter and arrange the remaining 5 letters to give 6! ways to write the letters where the vowels are always together.

the vowels can be further arranged in 3! ways.

so we have 8! - 6!*3! which gives 36000

please prove this wrong so that the flaw in the logic is detected.

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In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

another way to solve would be to find out the total ways to arrange the 8 letters and deduct those choices where the vowels are always together.

so total number of ways to arrange 8 letters would be 8!

choices where vovels are always together would be when you treat 3 vowels as one letter and arrange the remaining 5 letters to give 6! ways to write the letters where the vowels are always together.

the vowels can be further arranged in 3! ways.

so we have 8! - 6!*3! which gives 36000

please prove this wrong so that the flaw in the logic is detected.

The point is that {total} - {all three vowels together} does not give the cases where all the vowels are separated: you still get the cases where any two of them are together. For example, {AI}MNFOLD or MAN{IO}FLD ...

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so how do you remove any two of them together from this total ?....i just want to arrive at the correct answer by viewing the entire logic by this method....do we have to deduct 7! * 2 further by treating any two vowels as one...if so the answer is till not the same....

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In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

so how do you remove any two of them together from this total ?....i just want to arrive at the correct answer by viewing the entire logic by this method....do we have to deduct 7! * 2 further by treating any two vowels as one...if so the answer is till not the same....

*M*N*F*L*D*

Exactly two of the vowels are together. Consider the two vowels as one unit: {X, Y}

The # of ways to choose which two vowels out of three are together = \(C^2_3=3\) The # of ways to arrange these two within their unit = 2!; The # of ways to choose an empty slot for that unit = 6; The # of ways to choose an empty slot for the third vowel = 5. The # of ways to arrange MNFLD = 5!.

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Bunuel wrote:

ratnanideepak wrote:

In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

so how do you remove any two of them together from this total ?....i just want to arrive at the correct answer by viewing the entire logic by this method....do we have to deduct 7! * 2 further by treating any two vowels as one...if so the answer is till not the same....

*M*N*F*L*D*

Exactly two of the vowels are together. Consider the two vowels as one unit: {X, Y}

The # of ways to choose which two vowels out of three are together = \(C^2_3=3\) The # of ways to arrange these two within their unit = 2!; The # of ways to choose an empty slot for that unit = 6; The # of ways to choose an empty slot for the third vowel = 5. The # of ways to arrange MNFLD = 5!.

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WoundedTiger wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

ratnanideepak wrote:

In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

so how do you remove any two of them together from this total ?....i just want to arrive at the correct answer by viewing the entire logic by this method....do we have to deduct 7! * 2 further by treating any two vowels as one...if so the answer is till not the same....

*M*N*F*L*D*

Exactly two of the vowels are together. Consider the two vowels as one unit: {X, Y}

The # of ways to choose which two vowels out of three are together = \(C^2_3=3\) The # of ways to arrange these two within their unit = 2!; The # of ways to choose an empty slot for that unit = 6; The # of ways to choose an empty slot for the third vowel = 5. The # of ways to arrange MNFLD = 5!.

2. The number of arrangements of six units {AIO }{M}{N}{F}{L}{D} is indeed 6!*3! but you don't need further to multiply this by 6, because 6!*3! already gives all the possible arrangements of {AIO }{M}{N}{F}{L}{D}.

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i got to the answer choice slightly differently...and I dont know if it's a correct way to solve it... we have *C*C*C*C*C* 5 consonants, and 6 places for vowels. consonants can be arranged in 5! ways, or 120 ways. 1st vowel can be arranged in 6C1 ways 2nd vowel can be arranged in 5C1 ways 3rd vowel can be arranged in 4C1 ways

now multiply everything: 5!*6C1*5C1*4C1 = 120*6*5*4 = 14,400

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In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

Take the task of arranging the 8 letters and break it into stages.

Stage 1: Arrange the 5 CONSONANTS (M, N, F, L and D) in a row We can arrange n unique objects in n! ways. So, we can arrange the 5 consonants in 5! ways (= 120 ways) So, we can complete stage 1 in 120 ways

IMPORTANT: For each arrangement of 5 consonants, there are 6 spaces where the VOWELS can be placed. For example, in the arrangement MNDLF, we can add spaces as follows _M_N_D_L_F_ So, if we place each vowel in one of the available spaces, we can ENSURE that the vowels are separated.

Stage 2: Select a space to place the A. There are 6 spaces to choose from, so we can complete stage 2 in 6 ways.

Stage 3: Select a space to place the I. There are 5 remaining spaces to choose from, so we can complete stage 3 in 5 ways.

Stage 4: Select a space to place the O. There are 4 remaining spaces to choose from, so we can complete stage 4 in 4 ways.

By the Fundamental Counting Principle (FCP), we can complete all 4 stages (and thus arrange all 8 letters) in (120)(6)(5)(4) ways (= 14,400 ways)

Answer: A

Note: the FCP can be used to solve the MAJORITY of counting questions on the GMAT. So, be sure to learn it.

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ratnanideepak wrote:

In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

AM GETTING TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS VIA TWO DIFFERENT METHODS....PLEASE ENLIGHTEN!!

great question ; in hurry i calculated not together later realised questions are separated so 2 vowels can still be together for consonants ; 5! ways and vowels AIO can be arranged in b/w in 6*5*4 ways total 5! *6*5*4 = 120 * 14400 ways IMO A

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Archit3110 wrote:

ratnanideepak wrote:

In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

AM GETTING TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS VIA TWO DIFFERENT METHODS....PLEASE ENLIGHTEN!!

great question ; in hurry i calculated not together later realised questions are separated so 2 vowels can still be together for consonants ; 5! ways and vowels AIO can be arranged in b/w in 6*5*4 ways total 5! *6*5*4 = 120 * 14400 ways IMO A

I do not understand the part were we consider that there will be 6 spaces to arrange the 3 vowels after the 5 consonants are arranged. Shouldn't there be only 3 spaces after arranging 5 consonants?

IMPORTANT: For each arrangement of 5 consonants, there are 6 spaces where the VOWELS can be placed. For example, in the arrangement MNDLF, we can add spaces as follows _M_N_D_L_F_

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Below if you see we have 6 spaces for vowels and total vowels are 3 so possible arrangement for vowels in 6 spaces:6*5*4..

_M_N_D_L_F_

Hope this helps

Pritishd wrote:

Archit3110 wrote:

ratnanideepak wrote:

In how many ways can the letters of the word MANIFOLD be arranged so that the vowels are separated ?

A. 14400 B. 36000 C. 18000 D. 24000 E. 22200

AM GETTING TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS VIA TWO DIFFERENT METHODS....PLEASE ENLIGHTEN!!

great question ; in hurry i calculated not together later realised questions are separated so 2 vowels can still be together for consonants ; 5! ways and vowels AIO can be arranged in b/w in 6*5*4 ways total 5! *6*5*4 = 120 * 14400 ways IMO A

I do not understand the part were we consider that there will be 6 spaces to arrange the 3 vowels after the 5 consonants are arranged. Shouldn't there be only 3 spaces after arranging 5 consonants?

IMPORTANT: For each arrangement of 5 consonants, there are 6 spaces where the VOWELS can be placed. For example, in the arrangement MNDLF, we can add spaces as follows _M_N_D_L_F_

I do not understand the part were we consider that there will be 6 spaces to arrange the 3 vowels after the 5 consonants are arranged. Shouldn't there be only 3 spaces after arranging 5 consonants?

IMPORTANT: For each arrangement of 5 consonants, there are 6 spaces where the VOWELS can be placed. For example, in the arrangement MNDLF, we can add spaces as follows _M_N_D_L_F_

My doubt still remains. I can see that there are 6 spaces but my question was that how did you arrive at those 6 spaces? Once we arrange the 5 consonants will we not have only 3 spaces left? Is this some kind of a method were we assume an available space before and after every element?

Warm Regards, Pritishd
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Well this is how arrangement questions are solved we need to make cases as per question and solve considering all possible arrangement... You can look for similar questions in GMAT club directory and practice similar type questions.

I do not understand the part were we consider that there will be 6 spaces to arrange the 3 vowels after the 5 consonants are arranged. Shouldn't there be only 3 spaces after arranging 5 consonants?

IMPORTANT: For each arrangement of 5 consonants, there are 6 spaces where the VOWELS can be placed. For example, in the arrangement MNDLF, we can add spaces as follows _M_N_D_L_F_

My doubt still remains. I can see that there are 6 spaces but my question was that how did you arrive at those 6 spaces? Once we arrange the 5 consonants will we not have only 3 spaces left? Is this some kind of a method were we assume an available space before and after every element?

Well this is how arrangement questions are solved we need to make cases as per question and solve considering all possible arrangement... You can look for similar questions in GMAT club directory and practice similar type questions.

I do not understand the part were we consider that there will be 6 spaces to arrange the 3 vowels after the 5 consonants are arranged. Shouldn't there be only 3 spaces after arranging 5 consonants?

IMPORTANT: For each arrangement of 5 consonants, there are 6 spaces where the VOWELS can be placed. For example, in the arrangement MNDLF, we can add spaces as follows _M_N_D_L_F_

My doubt still remains. I can see that there are 6 spaces but my question was that how did you arrive at those 6 spaces? Once we arrange the 5 consonants will we not have only 3 spaces left? Is this some kind of a method were we assume an available space before and after every element?

Warm Regards, Pritishd

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While I understand the other methods that arrangement questions are solved, it is this type that I am unable to figure out. Let me figure out at my end in that case.
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