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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do

plz expln rule/concept if possible. :-D Thanks

core sentence:
Crommelin passed at the same..bla...bla..... as halley's comet will pass
------ Noun---- verb ----------------------------- noun- -------verb
since we are comparing two thing, we need "as". so A, B are out.
C-doesn't have a verb to go with Haley's Comet
between D and E , D is more concise. The verb "will" coming before the noun"haley's comet" is widely acceptable in GMAT

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New post 08 Sep 2010, 02:55
Clearly the choice is between E&D.
The concept tested is of ellipses.
In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass - that can never replace a part of sentence.
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing- that can never replace a part of sentence.
(C) as Halley’s comet - action of Crommelin compared with another commet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do
Now to D/E
In E do is in present tens while in the main sentence "In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth" - "passed" is in pass tens. Therefore this ellipses is wrong.
D avoids this contradiction hence is the better option.

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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do

plz expln rule/concept if possible. :-D Thanks


Idiom: same ___ AS is correct, same __distance__ THAT is wrong
Knocks out A and B
Need to have a future tense verb due to "next time" later in sentence
Knocks out C
D looks good
Halley's comet will PASS, not DO
Knocks out E

D looks to be our winner.

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I got asked to take this one on by PM, so here I am!

In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

This is a comparison question, so you have to make sure you're comparing the right two thing.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
PROBLEM: This would lead us to think that Halley's comet will pass the distance and position that Crommelin did. That isn't right. It should be PASSING at the distance and position that Crommelin did.

(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
PROBLEM: Same as above, "is to be passing" is not a correct construction. Just gibberish, really.

(C) as Halley’s comet
PROBLEM: You can't use "as" without a clause, and there's no verb after the comma in this choice.

(D) as will Halley’s comet
ANSWER: Now we have a verb, so "as" is correct. It's also now clear that we're comparing CLAUSES (the ACT of passing).

(E) as Halley’s comet will do
PROBLEM: "do" is trying to stand in for the verb "to pass" (because that's the action we're comparing: passing), which doesn't make any sense. You can't say "will do pass," but you can say "will pass" (which is why D is correct).

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i choose E but its wrong.
can some1 tell, how to tackle this kind of Ellipsis problem. how to identify them.
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New post 08 Sep 2011, 06:07
it was D straight away.
it has to start with 'as' that elimintaes A and B.
out C, D, E
C- as Halley’s comet, same is not referring to the position of the Crommelin comet here but to the 'Crommelin comet as passed' thus there has to be a verb with Halley's comet.

D- CORRECT, clear and concise

E- unnecessary use of do.
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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do

There is a 3-2 split for "That" and "As", That will refer to position, while sentence is referring to distance and position. Hence, Option A and B are wrong...

Option C is awkward, hence incorrect


To choose between D and E, I am bit confused. I felt the correct answer to be E, still not able to figure out why E is incorrect.


Hi,
can you explain the concept of you have used here"There is a 3-2 split for "That" and "As", That will refer to position, while sentence is referring to distance and position. Hence, Option A and B are wrong..."
Y u said A and B were worng?

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Eliminated A,B and C options, but between D and E, i chose E :(
Still not clear why D is better than E
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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do

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Dear fellow aspirants although I messed up my gmat in my last atempts, I am trying to bell it this time.Here's my take on halley's comet.

In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will passthe next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do

here we use as because we are comparing passing of comets.
Between Dand E I don't know why is D correct I opted for E because both comets are parallel to each other.after the coma and both passed and will are also parallel.

Kindly help me out wih this one.




We can rule out A and B bcoz thr is a " , " before that.


(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet - awkward
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do incorrect bcoz appears signifies the position of comet is getting compared.(correct me if i m wrong)
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mithilesh wrote:
In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do

There is a 3-2 split for "That" and "As", That will refer to position, while sentence is referring to distance and position. Hence, Option A and B are wrong...

Option C is awkward, hence incorrect


To choose between D and E, I am bit confused. I felt the correct answer to be E, still not able to figure out why E is incorrect.


Hi,
can you explain the concept of you have used here"There is a 3-2 split for "That" and "As", That will refer to position, while sentence is referring to distance and position. Hence, Option A and B are wrong..."
Y u said A and B were worng?


That will only refer to position i.e. some 25 degrees above the horizon whereas the sentence needs to refer to distance and position. We need to use as instead of that. For the same reason A & B is wrong..
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Thanks guys, the OA is D! :), I got that in <1min.
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Methinks D is better than E because it maintains a sort of ||ism - 'the comet Crommelin passed the Earth' and 'will (pass) Halley’s comet'. Not sure, but E looks a bit wordy too!
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I think there is NO correct answer. We know that A B C and E are wrong ad per the discussions above.

Why D is wrong?

There are 2 clauses here: An activity that happened in the past is compared to another that will happen in future, so while using ellipses we MUST repeat the main verb when there is a tense change, and, hence, helping verb "will" cannot complete the 2nd clause (Ref: MGMAT SC).

Please correct me if my understanding is incorrect - I will be happy to learn. But that's my take - there is NO correct ans choice here. D would be correct if D had "will pass".

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A is a good catch in this question. But ,that modifies horizon, therefore its wrong.

E doesn't compare the two things correctly. X passed through a position, as Y will do. It's wrong because the second clause is not parallel the first clause.

X passed through the same position, as will Y. is a better structure.

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We need 'as' for comparing clauses. That leaves C, D and E

we are comparing the below two:

the comet Crommelin passed
as Halley’s comet will [pass] or [passed].......

We are talking about future......Halley's comet will pass

As given, E will read....."comet Crommelin passed.......as Halley’s comet will do [pass]" - 'do' is present tense and needs 'pass' in present tense. When we use 'do' or 'did' it should be parallel with the earlier clause. Also, "will [do] [pass]" is unnecessary.

In option E....the following would have been correct.......the comet Crommelin passed......as Halley’s comet did [passed] - 'did' is past tense and would have been parallel to "comet Crommelin passed".

In option D.....as will Halley’s comet [pass] is correct because it is not using 'do'

In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet - incomplete. 'as Halley's comet' what???
(D) as will Halley’s comet [pass] - CORRECT
(E) as Halley’s comet will do - see above



I think, this explanation might not be right.... 'Did' is not supposed to be used since 'appears' is very much present tense. 'Do' in option E is alright, except that is slightly redundant, when compared to D.

Correct me, if I am wrong.
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+ 1 for D.Will was necessary here to depict the future but do in E was redundant.

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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do



What's wrong with "that" in a?
Is it impossible that the clause after "that" modifies position?
I might be wrong, but I think that I've seen "the same X that Y is Z" <- this structure somewhere.

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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do



What's wrong with "that" in a?
Is it impossible that the clause after "that" modifies position?
I might be wrong, but I think that I've seen "the same X that Y is Z" <- this structure somewhere.

that is relative pronoun use to refer noun
In this sentence we are comparing the way---the comet Crommelin passed as will Halley's comet
D & E
Do in E is misleading
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In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.

(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet--> changes the meaning
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do--> use of "do" is incorrect here use "will" is sufficient for the implied comparison.

"That" is used without comma because the clause it introduces is essential one, hence A and B are wrong.

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