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# In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje,

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390. In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.

(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
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This is a terrible topic. The non-underlined part says that in June 1981, some people claimed to have visions of Virgin Mary ……, who then has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years. If Mary were to appear in later years, how would they say it in an earlier time of June 1981? This like a child’s play who often mixes up tenses as saying I saw tomorrow. In addition, the second part containing the subordinate clause unnecessarily shifts to simple present and present perfect from the past tense of the main clause.

The point the topic wants to prove perhaps is the use of who or whom and the use of past perfect. Since the visions must have occurred earlier than their claim, obviously we are required to use “to have had” along with a simple past, which is sufficient to indicate prioress. ‘Had clamed’ is very wrong.

On the use of ‘who or whom’, we can see that the later part of the sentence has verb ‘has continued “which needs to have a subject or a subject pronoun pronoun such as who rather than an object pronoun ‘whom’.

On the difference between 'to have had and to have': when you claim 'to have visions', it means here that you are having visions just then as you make that claim. On the contrary, when you claim 'to have had visions', it indicates that you had the visions before you have come forward to make the claim, which is the correct context.

As such, not withstanding the terrible handling of the tenses in the non-underlined parts, structurally A will be the correct one .
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28 Nov 2006, 07:28
D.

E is wrong due to tense.

BC are wrong due to whom.

A is wrong due to have had. "over the ensuing years" means it continues after their claim, but "have had" means it occurred before the girls' claim.
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28 Nov 2006, 11:53
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Avoid present perfect (have had) for parallelism. So, A, C, E are out.

B or D is the answer. â€˜who vs whomâ€™?

Who is used as a subject while â€˜whomâ€™ as an object.

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29 Nov 2006, 22:48
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D.

E is wrong due to tense.

BC are wrong due to whom.

A is wrong due to have had. "over the ensuing years" means it continues after their claim, but "have had" means it occurred before the girls' claim.

But the official answer is A...........I fail to undertand why?
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jyotsnasarabu wrote:
tennis_ball wrote:
D.

E is wrong due to tense.

BC are wrong due to whom.

A is wrong due to have had. "over the ensuing years" means it continues after their claim, but "have had" means it occurred before the girls' claim.

But the official answer is A...........I fail to undertand why?

usage of have had is right.
To show continuation, the sentence would have to be something like: Since 1981, they have been having visions of Mary.

To make it simpler, replace have visions with seen.
In 1981, teenagers claimed to have seen Mary.
which means, they claimed to have had visions of Mary.
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01 Sep 2011, 19:32
I'm sorry to re-open this post after so long.

But I'm confused between options A & D.

(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who

Is D incorrect because it uses 'have' visions which changes the meaning of the sentence?
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01 Sep 2011, 21:49
Sentence must me using who so options Left A & D,
have had visions seems to more accurate than D

So go with A
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13 Nov 2013, 14:51
jyotsnasarabu wrote:
390. In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

Norrowed down to A and D but choose D...

Need to understand context here: "the child had visions and they then claims to have those visions" => therefore: " claimed to have had visions"

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19 Jul 2016, 02:19
jyotsnasarabu wrote:
390. In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

This is one of my favorite constructions :

Say I want to use the present perfect to say I talked to someone and will continue to do so..

I have talked to Jaco.

have is not the verb, it is have talked.

Claimed to have had visions of Mary.

Here had is doing the function of talked.

Claimed to have visions of Mary implies that have is being used as the main verb.

He had had a heart attack before he became well is correct Two events, one with past perfect one with simple present.
He had a heart attack before he become well is wrong. It is two simple present events (We need one past perfect)

Be very careful of where have is being used as a verb. If we want to use the perfect tense there, we need have had/ had had. It's very weird to the ears but you must learn to understand it!!!!
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26 Jul 2016, 12:39
The official answer is A , The posted answer of the question is wrong
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27 Jul 2016, 00:19
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The official answer is A , The posted answer of the question is wrong

Yes, an infinitive perfect is required because it is used within a statement in past. OA changed.
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27 Jul 2016, 04:27
IMO A, past perfect required as claimed and having visions are to be put into a logical time sequence

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30 Jan 2017, 17:52
claimed is past tense, so if the vision came before "claim" why not use past perfect tense?
just as if we turn the infinitive to the clause: claimed that they had done sth.?
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