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Hi sayantanc2k,

Can you please help with question 1 and 9 ?
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AjiteshArun , mikemcgarry ,daagh ,egmat , GMATNinja , sayantanc2k , RonPurewal , other experts -- can you please help with Question 1(primary purpose) ?
The OP says that this is a GMATPrep question, but I don't like the OA (C). I'd much rather go for option D.

In the current OA, C, we have
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defending a revolutionary theory about the causes of earthquakes and methods of predicting them
I can understand the revolutionary (for the time) and possibly the theory bit (for Wadati’s work suggested that deep events occur in areas... where one crustal plate is forced under another and descends into the mantle), but there is no defense (defending), and no mention whatsoever of anything supporting "predicting them".

Option D says
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discussing evidence for the existence of deep events and the conditions that allow them to occur
This option looks much better. Here we have evidence, not a theory. Evidence fits much better with Kiyoo Wadati convincingly demonstrated their existence. The whole thing, evidence for deep events, is well supported by that such deep events do occur has been accepted only since 1927, when the seismologist Kiyoo Wadati convincingly demonstrated their existence. The rest of it (the conditions that allow them to occur) also seems to work with how the passage discusses how these earthquakes are possible even though "rock is so ductile".
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Hello GMATNinja , Skywalker18 , AjiteshArun

Can you explain the below question?
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The passage supports which of the following statements about the relationship between the epicenter and the focus of an earthquake?
(A) P waves originate at the focus and S waves originate at the epicenter.
(B) In deep events the epicenter and the focus are reversed.
(C) In shallow events the epicenter and the focus coincide.
(D) In both deep and shallow events the focus lies beneath the epicenter.
(E) The epicenter is in the crust, whereas the focus is in the mantle.

According to me , the answer should be C but the OA is D

the passage mentions the below lines
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the more common shallow events, in which the focus lay just under the epicenter, and deep events, with a focus several hundred kilometers down.


In shallow events --> focus and epicenter are very close
in deep events --> the focus and epicenter are very far

Hence i selected C. Kindly let me know where i am going wrong
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the more common shallow events, in which the focus lay just under the epicenter, and deep events, with a focus several hundred kilometers down.


(C) In shallow events, the epicenter and the focus coincide.

They overlap, perfectly. Nowhere in the passage is mentioned this kind of overlapping

(D) In both deep and shallow events, the focus lies beneath the epicenter.

The green part of the sentence implies that in both kind of events (shallow and deep) the focus and the epicenter are still one on top of the other. They could be a little shifted as circles (if we wanna imagine this way).

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carcass why is the answer to question 1 (C) defending a revolutionary theory about the causes of earthquakes and methods of predicting them
and not (D) discussing evidence for the existence of deep events and the conditions that allow them to occur

Nowhere does the author discuss anything about predicting earthquakes. D is a better fit? Please clarify.
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For most earthquakes, Wadati discovered, the interval was quite short near the epicenter, the point on the surface where shaking is strongest. For a few events, however, the delay was long even at the epicenter.Wadati saw a similar pattern when he analyzed data on the intensity of shaking.


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The question remained: how can such quakes occur, given that mantle rock at a depth of more than 50 kilometers is too ductile to store enough stress to fracture? Wadati’s work suggested that deep events occur in areas (now called Wadati-Benioff zones) where one crustal plate is forced under another and descends into the mantle.


The red part is a new approach related to his discoveries.

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Fact 1

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Wadati relied on a time difference between the arrival of primary (P) waves and the slower secondary (S) waves. Because P and S waves travel at different but fairly constant speeds, the interval between their arrivals increases in proportion to the distance from the earthquake focus, or rupture point.


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Both the P-S intervals and the intensity patterns suggested two kinds of earthquakes: the more common shallow events, in which the focus lay just under the epicenter, and deep events, with a focus several hundred kilometers down.


C says that the waves are distant from focus, which is not true. What is true is that their arrivals difference increases in proportion to the distance from the earthquake focus.

If the EQ is shallow then the difference could be really tiny if no difference at all, if the EQ is deep then the difference is remarkable.


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Hi carcass,

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C says that the waves are distant from focus, which is not true. What is true is that their arrivals difference increases in proportion to the distance from the earthquake focus.

If the EQ is shallow then the difference could be really tiny if no difference at all, if the EQ is deep then the difference is remarkable.


Not sure where C told that waves are distant from focus, it is just saying that the 'focus is distant' which is supposed to be true in case of deep events. The same is mentioned in following:
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two kinds of earthquakes: the more common shallow events, in which the focus lay just under the epicenter, and deep events, with a focus several hundred kilometers down.

As per my understanding option A as well as C are saying one and the same thing, if deep event then focus is distant and if focus is distant thet means deep event. I am confused in this.
PLease correct me if my understanding is wrong or if i missed out any point.
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3. It can be inferred from the passage that if the S waves from an earthquake arrive at a given location long after the P waves, which of the following must be true?

(A) The earthquake was a deep event.
(B) The earthquake was a shallow event.
(C) The earthquake focus was distant.
(D) The earthquake focus was nearby.
(E) The earthquake had a low peak intensity.

(A) The earthquake was a deep event.

Because P and S waves travel at different but fairly constant speeds, the interval between their arrivals increases in proportion to the distance from the earthquake focus, or rupture point.

This is because the EQ is deep in the crust.

(C) The earthquake focus was distant.

This actually means NOT deep in terms of profundity but in terms of distance on a flat plan or distance. I.E. the focus happens in Tokio and the arrival point of the waves is in Osaka. Point A to B not as point A over B.

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Oh got your point now.
I did not notice that. It was mentioned just in the same para:
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Instead of comparing the arrival times of seismic waves at different locations, as earlier researchers had done.

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For Q 6 the correct answer, option D, suggests that both stress and fracture must take place in order for ANY earthquake to occur. But the following lines suggest that in case of the less common earthquakes fracture doesent occur. So If my understanding is correct, the answer should be A (only Stress).

"where high pressure makes rock so ductile that it flows instead of cracking" &
"how can such quakes occur, given that mantle rock at a depth of more than 50 kilometers is too ductile to store enough stress to fracture?"
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Hi GMATNinja,

Can you please help in explaining why is the OA C for this one.I feel like D is more appropriate here.

Thanks!

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1. The passage is primarily concerned with
(A) demonstrating why the methods of early seismologists were flawed
(B) arguing that deep events are poorly understood and deserve further study
(C) defending a revolutionary theory about the causes of earthquakes and methods of predicting them
(D) discussing evidence for the existence of deep events and the conditions that allow them to occur
(E) comparing the effects of shallow events with those of deep events



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Regarding Question 6:
From Para 1
Stress is needed for both types of earthquake . So , I is true. II and III are true only for one particular type of earthquake . How can we say that I and II must be true
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Regarding Question 6:
From Para 1
Stress is needed for both types of earthquake . So , I is true. II and III are true only for one particular type of earthquake . How can we say that I and II must be true
I'm assuming you meant "I and III" as that is the OA (D), and not "I and II", which is not there in any of the 5 options.

Let's take a look at everything the passage says about III:

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In most earthquakes the Earth’s crust cracks like porcelain. Stress builds up until a fracture forms at a depth of a few kilometers and the crust slips to relieve the stress.
We expect a fracture with most earthquakes. The next few lines say that deep underground, the rock is too ductile to crack. Therefore, how can quakes happen at such depths?

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The question remained: how can such quakes occur, given that mantle rock at a depth of more than 50 kilometers is too ductile to store enough stress to fracture?
By putting so much emphasis on the whole "being too ductile to fracture" bit, this portion shows us that a fracture is important for quakes to occur, but then says the question of how a fracture could actually occur at great depths remained unanswered.

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Wadati’s work suggested that deep events occur in areas (now called Wadati-Benioff zones) where one crustal plate is forced under another and descends into the mantle. The descending rock is substantially cooler than the surrounding mantle and hence is less ductile and much more liable to fracture.
This portion tells us how fractures can occur even at great depths.
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Talayva wrote:
AjiteshArun mikemcgarry
Regarding Question 6:
From Para 1
Stress is needed for both types of earthquake . So , I is true. II and III are true only for one particular type of earthquake . How can we say that I and II must be true
I'm assuming you meant "I and III" as that is the OA (D), and not "I and II", which is not there in any of the 5 options.

Let's take a look at everything the passage says about III:

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In most earthquakes the Earth’s crust cracks like porcelain. Stress builds up until a fracture forms at a depth of a few kilometers and the crust slips to relieve the stress.
We expect a fracture with most earthquakes. The next few lines say that deep underground, the rock is too ductile to crack. Therefore, how can quakes happen at such depths?

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The question remained: how can such quakes occur, given that mantle rock at a depth of more than 50 kilometers is too ductile to store enough stress to fracture?
By putting so much emphasis on the whole "being too ductile to fracture" bit, this portion shows us that a fracture is important for quakes to occur, but then says the question of how a fracture could actually occur at great depths remained unanswered.

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Wadati’s work suggested that deep events occur in areas (now called Wadati-Benioff zones) where one crustal plate is forced under another and descends into the mantle. The descending rock is substantially cooler than the surrounding mantle and hence is less ductile and much more liable to fracture.
This portion tells us how fractures can occur even at great depths.


Thank you for your reply . I do understand that fractures can occur even at great depths and that fractures cause earthquakes .But, these are could be answers as they occur only in one tyoe of earthquake . The question asks about must be true condition -condition which is obeyed in all sorts of earthquakes
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For Q 6 the correct answer, option D, suggests that both stress and fracture must take place in order for ANY earthquake to occur. But the following lines suggest that in case of the less common earthquakes fracture doesent occur. So If my understanding is correct, the answer should be A (only Stress).

"where high pressure makes rock so ductile that it flows instead of cracking" &
"how can such quakes occur, given that mantle rock at a depth of more than 50 kilometers is too ductile to store enough stress to fracture?"


the end line suggests that in both cases ie. deep or shallow eqs fracture occurs so we can say that fracture is must for an eq.
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Thank you for your reply . I do understand that fractures can occur even at great depths and that fractures cause earthquakes .But, these are could be answers as they occur only in one tyoe of earthquake . The question asks about must be true condition -condition which is obeyed in all sorts of earthquakes
Perhaps we should look at a combination of two paragraphs (especially the 3rd, which is full of most/others comparisons):

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Both the P-S intervals and the intensity patterns suggested two kinds of earthquakes: the more common shallow events, in which the focus lay just under the epicenter, and deep events, with a focus several hundred kilometers down.

The question remained: how can such quakes occur, given that mantle rock at a depth of more than 50 kilometers is too ductile to store enough stress to fracture?
This seems to be good enough for us to limit ourselves to two types of earthquakes: shallow and deep.
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Hello GMATNinja , Skywalker18 , AjiteshArun

Can you explain the below question?
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The passage supports which of the following statements about the relationship between the epicenter and the focus of an earthquake?
(A) P waves originate at the focus and S waves originate at the epicenter.
(B) In deep events the epicenter and the focus are reversed.
(C) In shallow events the epicenter and the focus coincide.
(D) In both deep and shallow events the focus lies beneath the epicenter.
(E) The epicenter is in the crust, whereas the focus is in the mantle.

According to me , the answer should be C but the OA is D

the passage mentions the below lines
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the more common shallow events, in which the focus lay just under the epicenter, and deep events, with a focus several hundred kilometers down.

In shallow events --> focus and epicenter are very close
in deep events --> the focus and epicenter are very far

Hence i selected C. Kindly let me know where i am going wrong


Hi, Coincide means at same level. This is not supported by the passage. D confirms that focus in both events is under Epicentre. Please see the above red colour text for word justification.
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