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Well, I just went through this issue and while reading the MGMAT SC I saw a seperate topic on this problem. For your reference, it is shown below:

Sometimes we need to move an awkward subject or object to the back of the sentence. In these cases, we put an "it" in the sentence where the subject or object used to be. We call this use of it "Placeholder It". Do not look for a noun antecedent for a "Placeholder It".

Just look an example:

To Resist temptation is futile. (Awkward)
The subject of the sentence is the infinitve phrase to resist temptation. Although this sentence is grammatically correct, the GMAT rejects similar sentences on stylistic grounds.

IT is futile to resist temptation. (Correct)

"It" is now the grammatical subject. As a pronoun, it refers to the infinitive phrase. Under other circumstances, "it" can not normally refer to an infinitive.

Consider one more example:

It would hardly be fair for the meatpacking industry to blame regulators for the harm that it has inflicted upon itself in the sub-prime meat sector.

Above sentence is correct.

Reason: The antecedent of the first "it" (which is a Placeholder It) is the long infinitive phrase "to blame.....mortgage sector". The antecedent of the second "it" and of "itself" is industry.


Now if you apply this rule to the option A, I think it will be clear to you. :)

Note: All the wording used above is from MGMAT SC guide with all rights reserved :)
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(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint

(B) it and prime it and paint it ( The original sentence only discusses what is necessary to evenly and effectievely paint a rough surface – no mention of if it is to be painted or not - this option changes the meaning)

(C) it, then prime it, then paint it ( The original sentence only discusses what is necessary to evenly and effectievely paint a rough surface – no mention of if it is to be painted or not - this option changes the meaning)

(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface ( you – original sentence is indirect and the changed sentence is direct)

(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it (Wordy tries avoiding the pronoun completely )
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In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it


Form the above discussions we know that the irst "It" is a placeholder.
However is'nt the second "it" ambiguous?What is it referring to??The paint or the surface??Please clarify.
B,C>>eliminated
D>>"You">>Eliminate.
Left with A and E.IOs'nt E more clearer as its specifying "The surface" and leaves no room for ambiguity??
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will you please underline the portion to be modified?
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New post 23 Dec 2009, 05:45
From the choices not only a makes sense.
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I must say, I think A is the closest answer by process of elimination
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New post 24 Dec 2009, 00:21
A is unanimous

IT & IT discussion is nice; made me refere MGMAT SC\Pronouns chapter... they caution you with IT, ITS, They, There, Them to evaluate ambiguity and concision...!

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New post 26 Dec 2009, 00:46
ugimba wrote:
My pick is A.

I can eliminate B and C right away for wordy and awkward construction.

here in A, 'it' refers to surface so A is concise and expresses the required meaning.

D and E are wordy and awkward ..


IMO A and I completely agree with the explanation above
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The sentence begins with “in order to evenly and effectively paint the rough surface”. So, any option that uses “to paint it” at the end is not correct because of redundancy.
This eliminates B, C, and E. In option E, the use of “surface” is redundant”. In option A, the best answer, it clearly refers to “surface”.
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i screen out the answer by //ism
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Extremely confusing in my opinion, I chose C because of parallelism. The explanations don't make sense either unfortunately...I'm in trouble!
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In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

This is a part of Brutal SC.
I am having hard time with OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Explain please :
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In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'Surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I used in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?

In D, usage of 'you' is incorrect and rest is fine. Can this question can be considered GMAT based question?


IMO it should be A , i had tough time deciding between A and E , but went with A , since in E it goes from in original sentece a surface to the surface.
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New post 31 Jul 2011, 04:42
Before we go into more advanced grammar, let us look at some basic grammar

(A) It and apply primer before applying the paint – seems ok because the place holder value of some pronouns is an accepted practice in formal English
(B) it and prime it and paint it – how many ands – basically wrong
C) it, then prime it, then paint it; and no and at all here; basically wrong
(D) the surface and apply primer before you apply paint to the surface ; how many surfaces in a single sentence– unacceptable

(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it; totally three surfaces and the two in the given choices are too many as many

Now can u see why A is the best. Incidentally, structural parallelism without proper conjugation is ungrammatical as in B and C

may not be a good GMT worthy question , but definitely a good practice sample to start with , because of dealing with pronoun, punctuation and conjugation
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Well, I just went through this issue and while reading the MGMAT SC I saw a seperate topic on this problem. For your reference, it is shown below:

Sometimes we need to move an awkward subject or object to the back of the sentence. In these cases, we put an "it" in the sentence where the subject or object used to be. We call this use of it "Placeholder It". Do not look for a noun antecedent for a "Placeholder It".

Just look an example:

To Resist temptation is futile. (Awkward)
The subject of the sentence is the infinitve phrase to resist temptation. Although this sentence is grammatically correct, the GMAT rejects similar sentences on stylistic grounds.

IT is futile to resist temptation. (Correct)

"It" is now the grammatical subject. As a pronoun, it refers to the infinitive phrase. Under other circumstances, "it" can not normally refer to an infinitive.

Consider one more example:

It would hardly be fair for the meatpacking industry to blame regulators for the harm that it has inflicted upon itself in the sub-prime meat sector.

Above sentence is correct.

Reason: The antecedent of the first "it" (which is a Placeholder It) is the long infinitive phrase "to blame.....mortgage sector". The antecedent of the second "it" and of "itself" is industry.


Now if you apply this rule to the option A, I think it will be clear to you. :)

Note: All the wording used above is from MGMAT SC guide with all rights reserved :)


Good to point out the explaination from MGMAT SC
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ugimba wrote:
sudeep wrote:
Someone care to explain please:

In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I use in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?


Sudeep, I see your point. I think 'it' in 'it is necessary..' is a dummy subject to milead. but rest of the 4 choices are really bad .. so A looked fine to me.

But ofcourse, a detailed explanation from any guru will be appreciated.



Real nightmare... this question!

At least, by POE, I could come up with A.
E was second close to me.
Ideally, the option would be - the surface, apply primer and then paint it. Unfortunately, none of the options :( !

Also, I don't think this is a rule - Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?
I don't agree with this.....!
Can experts shed inks?
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IMO A.

In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

Two functions of It are tested here: the Placeholder it and the pronoun it.
The IT in it is necessary is a Placeholder It. Eg. It is good to have friends.
The second it in the sentence is the pronoun. this it comes along with all its typical baggage: you need to find an antecedent noun that agrees in number and makes sense together, etc.
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sudeep wrote:
In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

This is a part of Brutal SC.
I am having hard time with OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Explain please :
[Reveal] Spoiler:
In A there are two 'it' in a same clause one referencing to 'General Unknown Noun' and other to 'Surface'. I am finding hard to digest it as it is one of the elimination criteria I used in the SCs. Is it the correct usage and does it mean that we can have two 'it' in same clause if one is referencing to the 'General Unknown Noun'?

In D, usage of 'you' is incorrect and rest is fine. Can this question can be considered GMAT based question?


it doesnt sound like GMATIC SC. whats the source of this question. according to GMAT Lord, Ron Purewal, it would not be wise to study ungmatic questions from internet.
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My understanding :

A : Sand IT........AND............apply primer ( apply primer WHERE?) = eliminated
B : AND........... AND = listing of items ( no need of 2 AND's ) = eliminated
C : there should be AND bxn 2nd & 3rd while listing items = eliminated

Between D & E

E : Sand the surface , apply primer to the surface AND then paint IT = PARALLELISM maintained, ( no ambiguity = Surface is the clear referrent )

Leading to OA E.
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In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

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Most of people here have endorsed A as correct choice. But i see clear flouting of parallelism in choice A.

To maintain parallelism the construct should be it is necessary to X and Y where both X and Y are parallel.
Here, X-->sand it
Y-->apply primer before applying the paint

How do we justify the parallelism.

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IMO A.

In order to evenly and effectively paint a rough surface, it is necessary to sand it and apply primer before applying the paint.
(A) it and apply primer before applying the paint
(B) it and prime it and paint it
(C) it, then prime it, then paint it
(D) the surface and apply primer before you
apply paint to the surface
(E) the surface, apply primer to the surface and then paint it

Two functions of It are tested here: the Placeholder it and the pronoun it.
The IT in it is necessary is a Placeholder It. Eg. It is good to have friends.
The second it in the sentence is the pronoun. this it comes along with all its typical baggage: you need to find an antecedent noun that agrees in number and makes sense together, etc.



This is definitely not a GMAT question, I felt A is the answer but the question quality is not GMAT type.
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