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Premise 1 - In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities.

Premise 2 - The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories.

Conclusion - The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness

A - Adaptation of vacant office space to meet the government's requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such office space a more cost-effective alternative to new construction. (Exactly, this is the answer. What we are talking about in the conclusion is fiscal wastefulness. When the leasing, even after the additional facilities, costs the same as new projects then there is no wastage)

D - The government's construction projects would not on being completed, add to the stock of facilities available for leasing in the cities concerned. (If the government is building the projects for themselves why would they line the projects up for leasing? Even if they do line up, those projects will have better facilities and there are chances of capital-recovery)

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I am really confused between A and E can som1 give solid reason to believe why E is not the answer
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Can you tell why you think E should be the answer? An assumption either connects Premise 1 to Premise 2 (if it is a sub-conclusion) or Premise 2 to conclusion. Where are you fitting option E? Look for yourself. Can we put it between Premise 1 and Premise 2 or between Premise 2 and conclusion?

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I am really confused between A and E can som1 give solid reason to believe why E is not the answer


Let us look at it another way. This is a very crude way of approaching Assumptions type question. We have to fit the assumption in either between the premises or between the premise and the conclusion. Let us take your option first

Option E

Case 1 : In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. Before embarking on any major construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are most cost-effective. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness.

Case 2 : In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. Before embarking on any major construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are most cost-effective The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness.

Option A

Case 3 : In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. of vacant office space to meet the government's requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such office space a more cost-effective alternative to new construction. The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness

Case 4 : In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. Adaptation of vacant office space to meet the government's requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such office space a more cost-effective alternative to new construction. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness.


Now tell me which option sounds the best?
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I am really confused between A and E can som1 give solid reason to believe why E is not the answer


One more thing.

Samsung Galaxy III is cost effective compared to Apple iphone5 but that does not mean Galaxy is not fiscal wastage (with no offence to the proud owners of either phones), if you can work out with a Nokia :-D

Getting the point?

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In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness.
Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?
(A) Adaptation of vacant office space to meet the government's requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such office space a more cost-effective alternative to new construction.
(B) The government prefers leasing facilities to owning them in cases where the two alternatives are equally cost-effective.
(C) If facilities available for leasing come very close to meeting the government's requirements for facilities the government needs, the government can relax its own requirements slightly and consider those facilities in compliance.
(D) The government's construction projects would not on being completed, add to the stock of facilities available for leasing in the cities concerned.
(E) Before embarking on any major construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are most cost-effective.


Mike I don't know how to mail u the link

First of all, getgyan, thank you for emailing me on Archit143's behalf.

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To email me, all you have to do is find any post in which I have posted, and click on my highlighted screenname. That will take you to my profile page. On the profile page, on the left side, in a column under my screen name, you will see a gray button that says "send private message." That's how you can send a private message to any GC user.

For this particular question, I will only discuss (A) & (E), since those are the two that confuse you.

In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirements for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness.
Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?
(A) Adaptation of vacant office space to meet the government's requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such office space a more cost-effective alternative to new construction.

The classic test for an assumption, as folks above have said, is the "negation test" --- negate the statement, and if that devastates the argument, that's an assumption. You may find this blog helpful.
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/arguments- ... -the-gmat/

Here, let's assume the opposite of (A). Assume that we would save money, that it would be more cost effective, to renovate and adapt those existing offices spaces, rather than build whole new ones. Well, if that's true, then building new ones, the more expensive option, would definitely be more wasteful. That obliterates the conclusion of this argument, so this is a strong candidate for the the correct answer.

(E) Before embarking on any major construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are most cost-effective.
This is a subtle point. Anything that involves extreme language is wrong on the GMAT Verbal section. Extremity can involve very strong emotions, very strong judgments, or, as in this case, extreme scenarios or standards or criteria. Consider the following hierarchy of scenarios ----
before embarking on any major construction project, the government .....
(a) has a policy of reviewing cost effectiveness with an advisory board
(b) must have the cost effectiveness approved by a majority (or 2/3) of the state assembly
(c) must submit the proposal to binding arbitration that will decide whether it is cost effective and hence, whether to permit it
(d) is required by law to establish, to a majority opinion of a panel of judges/jurors/experts, that it is cost effective
[the judicial standard in civil cases]
(e) is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that it is cost effective [the judicial standard in criminal cases]
Notice that (e), the standard for decision in criminal cases, is the strictest decision-making criterion encoded in the law anywhere. Options (a) - (d) are all less serious, less imposing, than (e). In this sense, (e) is an extreme case --- saying that the judgment will be held to the highest standard known anywhere in the legal system. In essence, we are saying --- of 1000 potential projects, if even one cost ineffective project is allowed and goes through, that would be as great a tragedy as, in a 1000 criminal court cases, one innocent person is condemned to a criminal sentence. That latter is a true real-life tragedy, unfairly destroying some poor person's whole life! (That's exactly what the Founding Fathers were hoping to avoid by establishing such a demanding criterion.) Spending a bit too much money on a government construction project -- not ideal, but certainly not a tragedy of the same magnitude!! Do you see what I mean? Yes, it's not a good thing when the government overspends, but saying that it's so bad that it has to be held to the highest criterion that appears anywhere in the entire legal system --- that's extreme.
Obviously, if we negated option (E), which follows standard (e), any of (a)-(d) could still be true, and if any of those were true, it would support the conclusions. This is why (E) doesn't work.

(A) has to be the answer.

You don't have to be an expert on the legal system, but you do need to recognize that key phrase: "to establish beyond any reasonable doubt." That is the standard in every criminal case in the US legal system, again so extremely demanding and hard to demonstrate, because the system is trying to avoid the tragedy of condemning an innocent person to prison.
Nothing else in the entire legal system, in the entire government, is held to that lofty standard. Even in civil cases in the legal system, you only have to demonstrate it to a majority of the jurors to win. In a criminal cases, the decision must be unanimous --- all 12 people must agree that the person is guilty.
That's why, as soon as I saw those words in (E) --- some governmental fiscal thing held to the standard of "beyond any reasonable doubt" --- right away, I knew that was far to extreme to be a correct answer on the GMAT.

Does all this make sense?

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In several cities, the government is going ahead with ambitious construction projects despite the high office-vacancy rates in those cities. The vacant offices, though available for leasing, unfortunately do not meet the requirement for the facilities needed, such as court houses and laboratories. The government, therefore, is not guilty of any fiscal wastefulness.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A) Adaption of vacant office space to meet the government's requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such office space a more cost effective alternative to new construction.

B) the government prefers leasing facilities to owning them in cases where the two alternatives are equally cost-effective

C) If facilities available for leasing come very close to meeting the government's requirements for facilities the government needs, the government can relax its own requirements slightly and consider those facilities in compliance.

D) The government's construction projects would not, on being completed, add to the stock of the facilities available for leasing in the cities concerned.

E) before embarking on any construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are more cost effective.

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A is the only make sense as assumption

the other choices do not hold any water

A) Adaption of vacant office space to meet the governments requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such space a more cost effective alternative to new construction.

B) the government prefers leasing facilities to owning them in cases where the two alternatives are equally cost effective

C) I f facilities available for leasing come very close to meeting the governments requirements for facilities the government needs, the government relax its own requirements slightly and consider those facilities in compliance.

D) the government's construction projects would not, on being completed, add to the stock of the facilities available for leasing in the cities concerned.

E) before embarking on any construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are more cost effective.

for the reason in A the gov spend more money but is not guilty
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A is the only make sense as assumption

the other choices do not hold any water

A) Adaption of vacant office space to meet the governments requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such space a more cost effective alternative to new construction.

B) the government prefers leasing facilities to owning them in cases where the two alternatives are equally cost effective

C) I f facilities available for leasing come very close to meeting the governments requirements for facilities the government needs, the government relax its own requirements slightly and consider those facilities in compliance.

D) the government's construction projects would not, on being completed, add to the stock of the facilities available for leasing in the cities concerned.

E) before embarking on any construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are more cost effective.

for the reason in A the gov spend more money but is not guilty


can yu please explain y option D is wrong.
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What is your conclusion? And how does D connect with that conclusion?
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A is the only make sense as assumption

the other choices do not hold any water

A) Adaption of vacant office space to meet the governments requirements, if possible, would not make leasing such space a more cost effective alternative to new construction.

B) the government prefers leasing facilities to owning them in cases where the two alternatives are equally cost effective

C) I f facilities available for leasing come very close to meeting the governments requirements for facilities the government needs, the government relax its own requirements slightly and consider those facilities in compliance.

D) the government's construction projects would not, on being completed, add to the stock of the facilities available for leasing in the cities concerned.

E) before embarking on any construction project, the government is required by law to establish beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no alternatives that are more cost effective.

for the reason in A the gov spend more money but is not guilty


can yu please explain y option D is wrong.


I found it easier to answer this question by thinking about it this way:

The government has two choices-lease the space and then retrofit it, or create a whole new construction. In order for the new construction to make sense from a "fiscal" standpoint, the new construction would have to be less expensive than retrofitting the existing buildings would be.

So if you consider those choices, how then is answer "D" relevant? "D" is out of scope..

What are your thoughts Carcass?
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Basically the question says this: we need facilities that serve as offices and at the same time they even meet our needs but we have to pay.

If the facilities, in leasing, could meet our needs still they could be less cost effective of facilities to owing. In other words, if I have an appartment and I have to pay the rent, even if this rent is congruous, at the end of the day is still less cost effective if I pay a loan

I have a rent for 500$ and a loan for 600 $ is better to pay 600 $ because I would be the owner, instead the rent is a waste of money in somehow.

I'm pretty sure the answer is A and may be you are good at CR but for most of the students this is a pretty tough question.

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I failed miserably on this question. If only GMAC could give us about 1 more minute/question on Verbal.

CR is what I struggle most with. I am by no means comfortable yet with it.

So it sounds like we are on the same page.

Owning is preferable to leasing=Assumption.

In the example you provided owning ($400) is preferable to leasing ($600). Why? Because retrofitting the existing space to accommodate government building may be more expensive.
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Another way to think about this questin is (more simple):

The gov pay for leasing for facilities that are not adapt to the scope, but it has to do. a bunch of $ to spend.

As such, if you follow this line of reasoning at the top of your head : the gov can do a sort of adaption and it can do nothing otherwise to pay.

A) adaptation.

Please edit the post with the OA.

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Good amount of typos in the question.
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Sorry about that. I just noticed the typos and fixed them. This question came from GMAC Test #52, questions #5 from section 5.
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souvik101990 wrote:
Good amount of typos in the question.
Where did you get it from?


Even in this question

the full stop in the first phrase. is completely out of scope, it doesn't have any sense

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I typed the question word for word, with the exception of SinEase, which I spelled as Sinease. I just corrected it though. I know what you mean about the first sentence of the question stem, it's written awkwardly, but that is how it appears in the paper test. If you are referring to the answer choices, please elaborate on what is wrong with them. I just reviewed each one again, and there is no discrepancy between what I posted and what appeared on the paper test.

BTW the question you posted a link to came from GMAC test #52, question #14, section 5.
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carcass wrote:
souvik101990 wrote:
Good amount of typos in the question.
Where did you get it from?


Even in this question

the full stop in the first phrase. is completely out of scope, it doesn't have any sense

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I typed the question word for word, with the exception of SinEase, which I spelled as Sinease. I just corrected it though. I know what you mean about the first sentence of the question stem, it's written awkwardly, but that is how it appears in the paper test.

BTW the question came from GMAC test #52, question #14, section 5.



thanks for the info. Now I saw too, you are right.

well accordingly with stacey koprince from mgmat these paper tests from ETS that amministred the gmat before the gmac do not reflect the actual gmat. so is not a really good resource.

Now, I can't give you a definitive judgement about but stacey is one of the lead expert in the whole gmat world...........

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