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Ok per your analysis what is verb in D? Is it non-run-on sentence per your analysis?


In D and E , I don't find any subject verb problem.

But remember, GMAC usually prefers sentences which are

1. in Active form
2. Clear and short(meaning Not Awkward)

Both D and E are in passive form while we have an answer choice in active form which is not incorrect grammatically and logically. Hence, A is preferred over D and E.

Also, E has 'where' and as per GMAC rules, where is used only for Places.

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o, A is the BEST answer choice out of 5 given
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D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

D’s most serious problem arises the redundancy of two adverbs namely consequently and therefore. In addition, the use of the subordinate conjunction since and the adverb ‘consequently’ is jarring. Furthermore, one can notice some weird structure in D. While in C, the proceeds is a verb meaning follows’ in D, because the verb -are protected- is placed next to the word ‘proceeds’, proceeds tends to become a plural noun meaning --the resultant products or outcome--. The correct way of presenting the structure would have been to set off the modifier part-- from which new growth proceeds – within a pair of commas as follows. - since the buds, from which new growth proceeds, are protected by a thick layer needle ….
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles, protects the buds form which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles, protects the buds form which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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There are two types of modifiers in the sentence- 'which' and 'where'

Where can only refer to place and not to thing. Hence 'where' can not refer to buds. B and E are out.

C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires. 'withstand relatively well any forest fires' must be 'withstand forest fires relatively well '
D) In some types of pine tree,since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well. run on sentence

A is the answer



Hi Divyadisha,

The problem with option C is with the verb " protect", we dont have sub verb agreement. since, a thick layer of needles is used, the verb should be singular, hence "protects".

Please elaborate: how "withstand forest fires relatively well" be different from" withstand relatively well any forest fires". i know, the second option doesnt sound correct.

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D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

D’s most serious problem arises the redundancy of two adverbs namely consequently and therefore. In addition, the use of the subordinate conjunction since and the adverb ‘consequently’ is jarring. Furthermore, one can notice some weird structure in D. While in C, the proceeds is a verb meaning follows’ in D, because the verb -are protected- is placed next to the word ‘proceeds’, proceeds tends to become a plural noun meaning --the resultant products or outcome--. The correct way of presenting the structure would have been to set off the modifier part-- from which new growth proceeds – within a pair of commas as follows. - since the buds, from which new growth proceeds, are protected by a thick layer needle ….


Sir, Please elaborate why option C is wrong. is subject verb error the only error. Are both the constructions : "withstand forest fires relatively well" and " withstand relatively well any forest fires", correct? i know, the second option doesnt sound correct.

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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A) seems fine
B) POE SVA issue [a thick...] singular subject must agree with a singular verb [protects] not [protect]
C) POE Same issue as B
D) POE Since, consequently, therefore - makes the sentence very redundant.
E) POE [where from new growth happens] should be which because buds are not a place [relatively well as a result] sounds a lot more redundant than [relatively well]
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
Correct
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
-- Use of where is wrong
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
-- A thick layer(Singular)..... Protect(Plural) SV number agreement error
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
-- Therefore is redundant
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result
-- use of where is wrong.

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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I think this is a rather decent questions because I initially disregarded option A only to come back and realize it is the best option.

Reasons:

A - Thought the semi colon was awkward at first but came to realize that 1) it is grammatically correct because the clause that follows in an independent clause 2) the ending of the sentence is very elegant

B - Changes the meaning. the original sentence states that the growth of the needs is a consequence not the reason why they grow

C - The ending of the sentence they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires is incredibly awkward

D - D is even more awkward than C

E - What is the antecedent for they? very ambiguous. Also the ending easily as a result gives me nightmares.

Hope this helps. I know it helps me personally by writing out my explanations.
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
Absolutely correct.
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
problem #1: GMAT preserves the where for real places, so here its usage is incorrect.
problem #2: "so that" must be use for intention or purpose. here withstanding the forest fire is not intention or purpose of thick layer of needles;
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
subject verb agreement problem.
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
consequently and therefore are redundant.
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result
again problem of where and the independent clause of the sentence is wordy.

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles, protects the buds form which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles, protects the buds form which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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There are two types of modifiers in the sentence- 'which' and 'where'

Where can only refer to place and not to thing. Hence 'where' can not refer to buds. B and E are out.



C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires. 'withstand relatively well any forest fires' must be 'withstand forest fires relatively well '
D) In some types of pine tree,since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well. run on sentence

A is the answer



i agree that answer is A but i think there is some typing error as it should be - " in some types of pine trees instead of types of pine tree

else insted of they it should be used in sentence after semi colon.

do let me know if i am wrong.

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

option C D E are out
a thick layer is singular hence require the singular verb protects .C eliminated
consequently they can therefore .Redundant.D eliminated
are able to and as a result is also redundant.E eliminated

In B
where refers to the bud which is wrong it can only refer to the places ,location

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i thought consequently was a transition word and thus it needs to be ;consequently, i guess maybe i just shouldnt focus on that? what am i missing?

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i thought consequently was a transition word and thus it needs to be ;consequently, i guess maybe i just shouldnt focus on that? what am i missing?

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well

B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires

D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well

E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result
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I saw the "well" is moving around.
Can explain what's wrong with "withstand forest fires relatively well" and "withstand relatively well forest fires).
I thought "well" is an adjective, modifying the word forest fire.
Relatively is adverb, modifying well.

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I saw the "well" is moving around.
Can explain what's wrong with "withstand forest fires relatively well" and "withstand relatively well forest fires).
I thought "well" is an adjective, modifying the word forest fire.
Relatively is adverb, modifying well.


"Well" is an adverb here, modifying the verb phrase "withstand forest fires." "Well" is always an adverb, unless we're talking about health. (Example: "After a long struggle with hemorrhoids, Mike is well again." "Well" is an adjective in this case, describing Mike -- but you're very unlikely to see this usage on the GMAT.) Here's another example that gets into the difference between "good" (an adjective) and "well" (usually an adverb): https://gmatclub.com/forum/on-the-tourn ... 21371.html

In this question, the placement of "well" is clearer when it comes after "forest fires." In A, B, and D, it's clear that "well" modifies the entire phrase "withstand forest fires"; in C, it's a little bit less clear, because it's harder to figure out what, exactly, the pine trees withstand.

But the placement of "well" really isn't a big deal, to be honest. Notice that there's really no good reason to care about the placement of "well" in this question. C is the only answer choice that puts the word "well" in an awkward location, but C also has a terrible subject-verb error. So the placement of "well" really isn't the deciding factor.

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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.


Meaning of the sentence:
In some types of pine tree there is a layer of needles that protects the buds, which is where the growth of the tree continue, due to this protection of the buds the tree is able to resist forest fires somewhat well.



A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well


1. Clauses connection
Independent clause connection - [color=#00a651];
OK

2. SV agreement
Thick layer vs protects Ok
Growth vs proceeds Ok
They(some types) vs Are able Ok

3. Modifiers
in some types of trees - Ok
the buds vs which - Ok[/color]


B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

Meaning change:
1 - Needle layer vs Layer of needle
2 - ;consequently vs so they can withstand forest fires
The sentence makes it sound that the layer was created in order to protect the tree from fire, however as per sentence one, this is only a consequence.

Redudancy

FROM + WHERE


C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires

Verb agreement:
1 - Thick layer(singular) vs protect(Plural)


D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well


Needle Layer again!
Redundancy
Since+Consequently + therefore



E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result


Wordy
1.Because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles
2.are able relatively easily as a result

Meaning change
Relatively easily vs relatively well

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1. A thick layer is Singular
Verb- Proctects
Subject- A thick layer

2. From which and From where

Bud is a item or part of plant and not a place
So From which is correct

3. Look for Redundancy

Correct answer is A



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Is it correct use "from which" instead of "from where" to modifies "buds"?

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Is it correct use "from which" instead of "from where" to modifies "buds"?


Hi brightandamen ,

GMAT is very strict with the use of 'where'.

'Where' MUST always be used to refer to physical places.

Hence, where usage in this sentence is 100% incorrect.
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In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.

A) a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B) a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well
C) a thick layer of needles protect the buds from which new growth proceeds; thus, they are able to withstand relatively well any forest fires
D) since the buds from which new growth proceeds are protected by a thick layer needle layer, consequently they can therefore withstand forest fires relatively well
E) because the buds where new growth happens are protected by a thick layer of needles, they are able to withstand forest fires relatively easily as a result

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The subject is "a thick layer" therefore the verb must be singular- "protects." Why? In order to have consistency we could have

A thick layer of sponge protects
A thicker layer of grass protects
A thicker layer of fences protects

A is fine

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