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Stmt1: AD=2.5 In triangle ABD, tan <bad = 5/2.5=2 Hence we know the value of <bad Also, AB^2=AD^2+BD^2 =2.5^2+5^2= 31.25 AB =\(\sqrt{31.25}\) In triangle ABC, <ABC is right angle. We know one side (AB) and one angel (<bad) in triangle ABC. Sufficient to find AC.

Stmt2: By similar reason, in triangle BDC we can find out <bcd Also, BC^2=5^2+10^=125 BC = \(\sqrt{125}\) In triangle ABC we know one side (BC) and one angel (<bcd). Sufficient to find AC.

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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question: • A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

• Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

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24 May 2014, 14:16

Bunuel wrote:

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4.We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel,

I have a theoretical question based on the highlighted statement above:

It seems as though there is always overlap of sides(since we have similar triangles) so your highlighted statement looks to be true. For the sake of saving time -- i was trying to get a deeper understanding of this method -- Can there ever be a case when they give us the length of two sides, but since they are ONLY of one triangle, we can't make the leap onto others(minus the obvious correlations between the ratio) Meaning, In this same problem, if Statement 1 and 2 were given but if we weren't given a value of BD, then we wouldn't have been able to solve it. Correct?

Is it safe to say that two sides will ALWAYS create sufficiency, even if the two sides are on the same triangle?

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4.We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel,

I have a theoretical question based on the highlighted statement above:

It seems as though there is always overlap of sides(since we have similar triangles) so your highlighted statement looks to be true. For the sake of saving time -- i was trying to get a deeper understanding of this method -- Can there ever be a case when they give us the length of two sides, but since they are ONLY of one triangle, we can't make the leap onto others(minus the obvious correlations between the ratio) Meaning, In this same problem, if Statement 1 and 2 were given but if we weren't given a value of BD, then we wouldn't have been able to solve it. Correct?

Is it safe to say that two sides will ALWAYS create sufficiency, even if the two sides are on the same triangle?

If we were not give the length of BD, then the answer would be C: 2.5/BD = BD/10 --> BD = 5 --> we can find AC.
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Bunuel wrote:

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I'm not able to understand the ans to this q.. could someone elaborate please?

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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question: • A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

• Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

(1) AD = 2.5. Sufficient. (2) DC = 10. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel, AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC means that AB and AC are corresponding , and also AD and AB are corresponding and BD and BC are coresponding angles. Please tell which angles are they opposite to, because AB is opposite to angle BCA, and AC is opposite to angle ABC. How are these two angles corresponding. Same doubt for other corresponding angles also. Please clarify.
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In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question: • A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

• Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

(1) AD = 2.5. Sufficient. (2) DC = 10. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel, AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC means that AB and AC are corresponding , and also AD and AB are corresponding and BD and BC are coresponding angles. Please tell which angles are they opposite to, because AB is opposite to angle BCA, and AC is opposite to angle ABC. How are these two angles corresponding. Same doubt for other corresponding angles also. Please clarify.

In similar triangles corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles.

In triangle ABC: AB is opposite blue angle, AC is opposite right angle. In triangle ADB: AD is opposite blue angle, AB is opposite right angle. In triangle BDC: BD is opposite blue angle, BC is opposite right angle.

Since the above three triangles are similar then the ratio of these sides must be the same.

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Thanks a lot bunuel , its clear now. Can the ratios be taken using red angles also. In that case we get BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC. If yes, then depending upon the unknown, we can consider appropriate corresponding angles.
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Thanks a lot bunuel , its clear now. Can the ratios be taken using red angles also. In that case we get BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC. If yes, then depending upon the unknown, we can consider appropriate corresponding angles.

BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC is correct. And yes, you can equate ratios of any pair of corresponding angles.
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thoufique wrote:

Thanks a lot bunuel , its clear now. Can the ratios be taken using red angles also. In that case we get BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC. If yes, then depending upon the unknown, we can consider appropriate corresponding angles.

BC/AC = BD/AB = CD/BC is correct. And yes, you can equate ratios of any pair of corresponding angles.

Thanks a ton bunuel, was struggling with this for a long time.
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thoufique wrote:

Bunuel wrote:

[/img] In the diagram above, if arc ABC is a semicircle, what is the length of AC?

You should know the following properties to solve this question: • A right triangle inscribed in a circle must have its hypotenuse as the diameter of the circle. The reverse is also true: if the diameter of the circle is also the triangle’s hypotenuse, then that triangle is a right triangle.

So, as given that AC is a diameter then angle ABC is a right angle.

• Perpendicular to the hypotenuse will always divide the triangle into two triangles with the same properties as the original triangle.

Thus, the perpendicular BD divides right triangle ABC into two similar triangles ADB and BDC (which are also similar to big triangle ABC). Now, in these three triangles the ratio of the corresponding sides will be equal (corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles). For example: AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC. This property (sometimes along with Pythagoras) will give us the following: if we know ANY 2 values from AB, AD, AC, BC, BD, CD then we'll be able to find the other 4. We are given that BD=5 thus to find AC we need to know the length of any other line segment.

Also in such kind of triangles might be useful to equate the areas to find the length of some line segment, for example area of ABC=1/2*AC*BD=1/2*AB*BC \

(1) AD = 2.5. Sufficient. (2) DC = 10. Sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.

Hi Bunuel, AB/AC=AD/AB=BD/BC means that AB and AC are corresponding , and also AD and AB are corresponding and BD and BC are coresponding angles. Please tell which angles are they opposite to, because AB is opposite to angle BCA, and AC is opposite to angle ABC. How are these two angles corresponding. Same doubt for other corresponding angles also. Please clarify.

In similar triangles corresponding sides are the sides opposite the same angles.

In triangle ABC: AB is opposite blue angle, AC is opposite right angle. In triangle ADB: AD is opposite blue angle, AB is opposite right angle. In triangle BDC: BD is opposite blue angle, BC is opposite right angle.

Since the above three triangles are similar then the ratio of these sides must be the same.

Hope it's clear.

Bunuel, I understand this . However i don't understand this. How can you know AD is opposite blue and not red angle?

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Bunuel I cannot insert any U r l. My question is: In ABC we have a right, a blue and a red angle. In ADB, we have a right, a blue and a red angle. The corresponding right one is obviously the right one. But how can we know which angle in ADB corresponds to the blue angle in ABC?

Bunuel I cannot insert any U r l. My question is: In ABC we have a right, a blue and a red angle. In ADB, we have a right, a blue and a red angle. The corresponding right one is obviously the right one. But how can we know which angle in ADB corresponds to the blue angle in ABC?

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25 Jul 2017, 06:55

I got to the right answer just by knowing the properties of the inscribed triangle... ABC is a right triangle 30-60-90 we know BD finding AD or BC can help us find the legs and hypotenuse of the big triangle...

1. gives us AD, thus we can find AB, and from here, apply 30-60-90 triangle properties to find AC. 2. gives us DC, from here, we can find BC, and again apply 30-60-90 triangle properties to find AC.