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# In the rectangular coordinate system, are the points (a, b)

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In the rectangular coordinate system, are the points (a, b) and (c, d) equidistant from the origin?

(1) a/b = c/d

(2) sqrt(a^2)+sqrt(b^2) =sqrt(c^2) +sqrt(d^2)

OA follows..

OA is C.

I have seen a couple of nice approaches on number plugging, but just checking if there are any other innovative ideas to think conceptually on this. I myself tried algebra...then tried to switch mid-way to plugging and messed it on time...

So pointers on CONCEPT, GUESSING, TAKEAWAYS on how to recognize what approach to adopt,,... all welcome.

Thank you

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18 Aug 2011, 07:23
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In the rectangular coordinate system, are the points (a, b) and (c, d) equidistant from the origin?

(1) a/b = c/d

(2)sqrt(a^2)+sqrt(b^2) =sqrt(c^2) +sqrt(d^2)

Not too difficult I think.

(1) A/B = C/D tells us that a/b & c/d are proportionally the same. Take an example of a/b = 1/2 and c/d = -4/-8 to understand it is not sufficient.

Now (2) is basically saying the absolute value of the sum is the same for both points. Of course this could be true with (2,2) and (4,0) which are not the same distance from the origin.

(1)+(2) Now if you just think about it, two points that have the same ratio, and the same absolute sum must be the same distance from the origin.

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18 Aug 2011, 17:33
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Toughie from MGMAT - looking for creative and different approaches to approach this problem.

In the rectangular coordinate system, are the points (a, b) and (c, d) equidistant from the origin?

(1) a/b = c/d

(2)sqrt(a^2)+sqrt(b^2) =sqrt(c^2) +sqrt(d^2)

OA follows..

OA is C.

I have seen a couple of nice approaches on number plugging, but just checking if there are any other innovative ideas to think conceptually on this. I myself tried algebra...then tried to switch mid-way to plugging and messed it on time...

So pointers on CONCEPT, GUESSING, TAKEAWAYS on how to recognize what approach to adopt,,... all welcome.

Thank you

The question is asking about the distance from the origin.

Statement 1 says only about the ratio (a/b = c/d) of the coordinates of the points (a, b) and (c, d).
If a = 3 and b = 1, a/b = 3.
c/d could be three in many ways...That's clearly not sufficient..

Statement 2:
sqrt(a^2)+sqrt(b^2) =sqrt(c^2) +sqrt(d^2)
i.e. a+b = c+d.

This is possible in many ways. This is also not sufficient..

Statements 1 and 2: I wonder how to solve algebraically!

a/b = c/d ........................(i)
a + b = c + d ....................(ii)

suppose a/b = c/d = 3
a = 3b
c = 3d

3b + b = 3d + d ....................(iii)
4b = 4d
b = d

If b = d, a has to be equal to c. If so, coordinates points (a, b) and (c, d) are in equi-distance from the origin...

C.

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bunnel request your explanation why b alone can't be sufficient......

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IMO B......

bunnel request your explanation why b alone can't be sufficient......

In the rectangular coordinate system, are the points (a, b) and (c, d) equidistant from the origin?

Distance between the point A (x,y) and the origin can be found by the formula: $$D=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}$$.

So we are asked whether $$\sqrt{a^2+b^2}=\sqrt{c^2+d^2}$$? Or whether $$a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2$$?

(1) $$\frac{a}{b}=\frac{c}{d}$$ --> $$a=cx$$ and $$b=dx$$, for some non-zero $$x$$. Not sufficient.

(2) $$\sqrt{a^2}+\sqrt{b^2}=\sqrt{c^2} +\sqrt{d^2}$$ --> $$|a|+|b|=|c|+|d|$$. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) From (1) $$a=cx$$ and $$b=dx$$, substitute this in (2): $$|cx|+|dx|=|c|+|d|$$ --> $$|x|(|c|+|d|)=|c|+|d|$$ --> $$|x|=1$$ (another solution $$|c|+|d|=0$$ is not possible as $$d$$ in (1) given in denominator and can not be zero, so $$d\neq{0}$$ --> $$|c|+|d|>0$$) --> now, as $$|x|=1$$ and $$a=cx$$ and $$b=dx$$, then $$|a|=|c|$$ and $$|b|=|d|$$ --> square this equations: $$a^2=c^2$$ and $$b^2=d^2$$ --> add them: $$a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2$$. Sufficient.

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