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# Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people

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Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs have drinking problems than when none do. Since, even after treatment, people who have had drinking problems are somewhat more likely than other people to have drinking problems in the future, any employer trying to reduce the risk of accidents should bar anyone who has ever been treated for a drinking problem from holding a safety-sensitive job.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument above?

A. Some companies place employees who are being treated for drinking problems in residential programs and allow them several weeks of paid sick leave.

B. Many accidents in the workplace are the result of errors by employees who do not hold safety-sensitive jobs.

C. Workers who would permanently lose their jobs if they sought treatment for a drinking problem try instead to conceal their problem and continue working for as long as possible.

D. People who hold safety-sensitive jobs are subject to stresses that can exacerbate any personal problems they may have, including drinking problems.

E. Some industrial accidents are caused by equipment failure rather than by employee error.

Originally posted by mymba99 on 13 May 2008, 07:28.
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Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs have drinking problems than when none do. Since, even after treatment, people who have had drinking problems are somewhat more likely than other people to have drinking problems in the future, any employer trying to reduce the risk of accidents should bar anyone hwo has ever been treating for a drinking problem from holding a safety=sensitive job.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument above?

A.Some companies place employees who are being treated for drinking problems in residential programs and allow them several weeks of paid sick leave

B.Many accidents in the workplace are the result of errors by employees who do not hold safety-sensitive jobs.

C.Workers who would permanently lose their jos if they sought treatment for a drinking problem try instead to conceal their problem and continue working for as long as possible.

D.People who hld safety-sentive jobs are subject to stresses that can exacerbate any personal problems they may have, including drinking problems.

E.Some industrial accidents are caused by equipment failure rather than by employer error.

Please provide some details with your choice.
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13 May 2008, 11:07
B for me

B & C come close, as it is undermining the argument it is B

"Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs
have drinking problems than when none do"

If it were undermining the conclusion then it would have been C. what say folks?
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13 May 2008, 11:08
jbpayne wrote:
I would say B.

I also tend to agree with B ,but a question if in E instead of word "some" , if "many" was used . Would that be a correct answer?

What I have figured out that sometimes you can just eliminate some choices because of the usage of words like "some","many" etc. ....is that true?
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13 May 2008, 11:16
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It's usually the extreme words like all, none, everyone, etc. Some, many, and a few are words that are more apt to be correct and should be considered as possible selections.
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13 May 2008, 13:55
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Premise:
Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs
have drinking problems than when none do.

Premise:
Since, even after treatment, people who
have had drinking problems are somewhat more likely than other people to have drinking
problems in the future

Conclusion:
any employer trying to reduce the risk of accidents should bar anyone who has ever been treated for a drinking problem from holding a safety-sensitive
job.

The conclusion is that an employer should bar people treated and not necessarily people who drink. If you drink and never go get treatment you can still work.

B. Many accidents in the workplace are the result of errors by employees who do not
hold safety-sensitive jobs.

This doesn't add any new information and therefore cannot be correct. The premise already stated that it was common for accidents to be the cause of people who drink. Therefore some accidents have to be commited by people who don't drink. Many does not give any real reference. How many is 'many'? If 15 out 100 accidents were by non drinkers could this be refered to as many? Yes, so this add no new information.

C. Workers who would permanently lose their jobs if they sought treatment for a
drinking problem try instead to conceal their problem and continue working for as
long as possible.

This attacks the true argument. If you say you will not hire people who go for treatment and everyone decides not to go to treatment then you aren't really doing anything. In fact you may be hurting yourself because now the drinkers still work at you company but yet they aren't getting the treatment they need to help them get better.
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13 May 2008, 14:12
saravalli wrote:
Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs
have drinking problems than when none do. Since, even after treatment, people who
have had drinking problems are somewhat more likely than other people to have drinking
problems in the future, any employer trying to reduce the risk of accidents should bar
anyone who has ever been treated for a drinking problem from holding a safety-sensitive
job.
Which of the following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument above?

A. Some companies place employees who are being treated for drinking problems in
residential programs and allow them several weeks of paid sick leave.
B. Many accidents in the workplace are the result of errors by employees who do not
hold safety-sensitive jobs.
C. Workers who would permanently lose their jobs if they sought treatment for a
drinking problem try instead to conceal their problem and continue working for as
long as possible.
D. People who hold safety-sensitive jobs are subject to stresses that can exacerbate
any personal problems they may have, including drinking problems.
E. Some industrial accidents are caused by equipment failure rather than by
employee error.

C for me.

Argument: employer should bar anyone that have past drinking problem because they tend to drink again

C weakens the argument by saying that workers will not seek treatment because are afraid to lose their job. Therefore, the problems lies in people being afraid of losing their job, not recurring drinking problem.

A, D, E are irrelevant.
In B, "many" makes this argument weak. Moreover, we are talking about workers that hold safety-sensitive jobs, not the opposite. The stem clearly says that "industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs
have drinking problems". B is actually irrelevant.
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13 May 2008, 14:25
i am going with C..

if the company is trying to reduce risk by eliminating people with drinking issues..then C weakens it most..

the argument talks about risk vs saying we need to reduce accidents..
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13 May 2008, 14:53
hmmm, all picked B and C here...

I ll have to go with D. will explain if it is correct
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13 May 2008, 19:52
I am picking C and totally agree with the reasoning cited in the earlier post by gixxer. For those who care to know, this Question is from the ScoreTop Sets (Verbal - Set 30, Q 19) and the answer seem to be C. Unfortunately, I couldn't find an explanation from the material I have.

If anyone has access to the ScoreTop sets, please verify and confirm. Thanks.
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14 May 2008, 07:14
OA: C Thanks
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14 May 2008, 17:40
Nice one.
I was stuck between C and D.
D is all the more reason to not give them the job in the first place.

So its C.
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14 May 2008, 19:46
saravalli wrote:
Industrial accidents are more common when some of the people in safety-sensitive jobs
have drinking problems than when none do. Since, even after treatment, people who
have had drinking problems are somewhat more likely than other people to have drinking
problems in the future, any employer trying to reduce the risk of accidents should bar
anyone who has ever been treated for a drinking problem from holding a safety-sensitive
job.
Which of the following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument above?

A. Some companies place employees who are being treated for drinking problems in
residential programs and allow them several weeks of paid sick leave.
B. Many accidents in the workplace are the result of errors by employees who do not
hold safety-sensitive jobs.
C. Workers who would permanently lose their jobs if they sought treatment for a
drinking problem try instead to conceal their problem and continue working for as
long as possible.
D. People who hold safety-sensitive jobs are subject to stresses that can exacerbate
any personal problems they may have, including drinking problems.
E. Some industrial accidents are caused by equipment failure rather than by
employee error.

I exceeded 3 minutes on this question, which is bad.

I choose C.
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25 May 2008, 16:49
+1 to both saravalli and gixxer for a great question and superb explanation
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26 May 2008, 06:17
First I thought the answer is D, but now I see why the correct answer is C.

Thanks
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15 Jun 2008, 19:00
I choose D, cause the root cause of drinking is the safety sensitive jobs. and not the other way round. I'll wait for your response. Thanks
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15 Jun 2008, 19:23
C

if people get fired by admitting that they have a problem and come to treatment, then they will not come to treatment or admit that they have a problem. Therefore you will have a bunch of people working with problems, and they create safety hazards.
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16 Jun 2008, 13:09
My answer is C. From the argument, the conclusion of the author is "any employers who try to reduce accident should not put any treated employees in safety-sensitive job". We have to find the answer choice that destroy this conclusion. Only choice C does the job. If the employees hide their drinking problem, the accident will not be reduced.

What is the OA.
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16 Jun 2008, 14:46
I think that it's important to see that the premise talks about 'Industrial accidents', while the conclusion talks about 'accidents'.

Since we want to weakern the argument, we need to look at the CONCLUSION only and see which answer choice talks about 'accidents'.

If many accidents are caused by errors rather than by alcohol, then the recommendation that employers bar anyone with a drinking problem is weakened.

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16 Jun 2008, 16:06
Legend wrote:
I think that it's important to see that the premise talks about 'Industrial accidents', while the conclusion talks about 'accidents'.

Since we want to weakern the argument, we need to look at the CONCLUSION only and see which answer choice talks about 'accidents'.

If many accidents are caused by errors rather than by alcohol, then the recommendation that employers bar anyone with a drinking problem is weakened.

Hmm, I still disagree. The stimulus mentions that the Industrial accidents are "more" common. Choice B may be true but it may be just another premise. Imo, the accidents tend to rise when the employees in safety-sensitive job have drinking problem. If these employees keep this fact secret, employers will never know and the accidents trend will remain the same.

I am still new in CR. Somebody helps!!!! What is the OA?
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