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New post 07 Feb 2012, 18:41
Please correct the OA for the question. In the link above OA is B whereas in this page on the answer box when I keyed in B it pointed it out as wrong. Also please check the OA before posting questions because it can affect other's GMAT preparation.

The link above correct states OA is B for this question and not A.
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New post 04 Apr 2012, 04:22
IMO B....

finding assumption is the key here.......
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I don't know how but somehow the argument makes us assume that federal expense will be paid by the industries. There is no such connection required and hence the industrialists are making money without any significant investment.. hence B..
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The argument says profit is not the motive , option B also says the same " The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits" if this option is correct it means expenses are borne out of no motivation for profit otherwise they would not bear expenses if profit was the motive. In fact B is strengthening the argument. Can someone explain it please??
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

I will go with Option D for the following reasons :

Lets take A and B in the last.
option C : Out of Scope. We are not bothered about the expectations of the industrialists.
option D : It is out of scope because what we need is what happened during the war and its effect on industries and not what happened before the war.
option E : Sufferings......Out of Scope.

now lets see option A and option B.

option A : The argument says that the industrialists from Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. The whole argument never talks about the industries in Distopia.Also, Even if we say that the industries in Distopia have seen a rise in profits, we cannot say whether the rise was already expected or it just happened because of civil war. Therefore it cannot be the flaw since it requires an assumption in itself to be true.

hence option B.........
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+1 for D. The rest are either irrelevant or strengthens.
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i was confused between B and D. I chose D. But then .. I realized B is a better option.
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I now understood why B correct. Can anyone explain the main answer choices, why they are wrong?


Let's see:
The argument assumes that the 8bn expenses will cancel the industrialists' profits.

A During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(This doesn't address the issue properly. If this is true, we will still have to cope with the 8 billion dollars expenses. Hence incorrect)

B The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(If this is true then the profits will go to the industrialists and the expenses will be sustained by someone else. Hence it's what we are looking for.)

C Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(We are not really concerned with what happens in the aftermath. Hence incorrect)

D Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(We don't really care what happened before, the issue is not addressed. Hence incorrect)

E Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.
(This is totally out of scope, we don't care at all)

I hope this will help.
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New post 09 Nov 2014, 04:39
B it is.This is, i feel a really good question!+1!
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.



I am totally confused..can anyone explain why b??/
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.

Which of the following, if true, weakens the argument made in the second sentence above?

A. During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
B. The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
C. Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
D. Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
E. Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?

The argument states that the Distopians DID NOT intervene because they were afraid that the profits of the facilities owned by the Distopian industrialists in the war area would suffer. This cannot be the reason for the intervention because the FEDERAL EXPENSES (who has to pay this?) doubled the profits that the Distopian INDUSTRIALISTS made with their factories in Arcadia.

(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.

If this were true, the Distopians would not care so much about the war area, because they made profits elsewhere. It does not really relate to the argument in the second sentence.


(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.

This is the right choice. The industrialists, who were responsible for the intervention, don’t care so much about the federal expenses because they don’t have to pay most of it. This disarms the argument in the second sentence and makes us think that the real reason for the intervention is the one pointed out in the first sentence.


(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.

This means that the war had no effect on the profits of the factories in Arcadia. It means that there must have been another reason for the intervention and thus supports the argument.


(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.

The situation before the war is irrelevant to the argument.


(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.

This does not expose a flaw in the argument. In fact, it gives us another reason why the Distopians could have intervened and thus supports the argument.
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to ensure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?

(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.


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Guys - can someone please let me know what's the reasoning behind correct answer B?



This one is a toughie and confusing one!!

The argument concludes that the since the profits made by the industrialist were ONLY 4 billion which does not count as a SUBSTANTIAL PROFIT, the industrialist DID NOT promote the war in order to make SUBSTANTIAL PROFITS.

The last lines provides us info. about the estimated federal EXPENSES and PROFITS earned by the industrialist.This indicates a disconnect or flaw.

B states that the whole war was NOT funded by the industrialist and that is the expenses were borne by those OTHER than the industrialist .

What would happen if the govt. asked the industrialist to fund the war - for example by placing a moratorium on industrial funding or by raising taxes that would increase cost of production, or by using new tax laws for industrialist ...????

B loosely says that the industrialist were kept out of the funding and hence, they made large profits. The rich industrialist were kept out of the loop and the common man was taxed to fund the war.

I hope my analysis makes sense.


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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.

Which of the following, if true, weakens the argument made in the second sentence above?

A. During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
B. The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
C. Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
D. Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
E. Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.


kindly explain how option B is the correct answer?
In my opinion, the option B actually strengthens the argument & not weakens. If largest proportions are borne by non profit making industries then it answers why profit is less & strengthens the second sentence.
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sagarag wrote:
Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.

Which of the following, if true, weakens the argument made in the second sentence above?

A. During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
B. The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
C. Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
D. Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
E. Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.


kindly explain how option B is the correct answer?
In my opinion, the option B actually strengthens the argument & not weakens. If largest proportions are borne by non profit making industries then it answers why profit is less & strengthens the second sentence.


Hi Lakshya,

That is the point ,
If the expenses are borne by somebody who doesn't receive significant industrial profit , then entire profit is shared among industries .
Thus weakening the conclusion.
Out of 8 billion 6 was borne by non industrialist then industries are receiving profit of 4 billion on investment of 2 billion.
I hope thats clear now.
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Correct B
Premises: For the war, government (Industrialists + non-industrialists) spent a total of $8b. The industrialists made a profit a $4b.
Argument in the second sentence: the purpose of industrialists is NOT to gain a profit.
Weakens: the purpose of industrialists is to gain a profit.
B: if the largest portion of total $8b expense was borne by non-industrialists, let’s say $6b, then industrialists only spent $2b (8-6) and made a profit of $4b. Therefore, profit is the purpose of industrialist. Weakens the argument.
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Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to ensure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?

(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.


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Guys - can someone please let me know what's the reasoning behind correct answer B?



This one is a toughie and confusing one!!

The argument concludes that the since the profits made by the industrialist were ONLY 4 billion which does not count as a SUBSTANTIAL PROFIT, the industrialist DID NOT promote the war in order to make SUBSTANTIAL PROFITS.

The last lines provides us info. about the estimated federal EXPENSES and PROFITS earned by the industrialist.This indicates a disconnect or flaw.

B states that the whole war was NOT funded by the industrialist and that is the expenses were borne by those OTHER than the industrialist .

What would happen if the govt. asked the industrialist to fund the war - for example by placing a moratorium on industrial funding or by raising taxes that would increase cost of production, or by using new tax laws for industrialist ...????

B loosely says that the industrialist were kept out of the funding and hence, they made large profits. The rich industrialist were kept out of the loop and the common man was taxed to fund the war.

I hope my analysis makes sense.


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It is easy if one understands the specifics in Q - "Yet this cannot be the motive since" is all what you need.
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This is an excellent question.
It is a combo of find the assumption and then find the flaw question.
The correct solution to this question will be very satisfying to the test taker.

Lets quickly break the question stem in premise and conclusion

Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars in intervention. (Federal means government.)
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

This looks like a very cogent and strong argument. Why it is so strong:- because the argument is assuming that all 8 billion was invested by industrialist
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion was invested by the industrialist.

See it yourself by rereading the argument again this time with the ASSUMPTION
Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars as expenses for the intervention.
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion expense was borne by the industrialist.
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

Now we have found the ASSUMPTION.
And now we will find the flaw.
What if Industrialist gave only 1 billion and got 4 billion in return. Then it will mean Industrialist's motive was to make profit.

What option proves that Industrialist invested less and made more money and that was Industrialist main Aim. --- to make profit.
(B) The largest proportion of federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.

CORRECT ANSWER IS B


Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.
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This is an excellent question.
It is a combo of find the assumption and then find the flaw question.
The correct solution to this question will be very satisfying to the test taker.

Lets quickly break the question stem in premise and conclusion

Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars in intervention. (Federal means government.)
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

This looks like a very cogent and strong argument. Why it is so strong:- because the argument is assuming that all 8 billion was invested by industrialist
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion was invested by the industrialist.

See it yourself by rereading the argument again this time with the ASSUMPTION
Premise 1) Industrialist of Nation D are accused of intervening in civil war of Nation A to ensure profit
Premise 2) Government of Nation D's used 8 billion dollars as expenses for the intervention.
Assumption):- Entire 8 billion expense was borne by the industrialist.
Premise 3) Industrialist only gained 4 billion
Conclusion) Since money invested was 8 billion and Industrialist get only 4 billion in return, their motive was not to make profit. DONT ACCUSE THEM

Now we have found the ASSUMPTION.
And now we will find the flaw.
What if Industrialist gave only 1 billion and got 4 billion in return. Then it will mean Industrialist's motive was to make profit.

What option proves that Industrialist invested less and made more money and that was Industrialist main Aim. --- to make profit.
(B) The largest proportion of federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.

CORRECT ANSWER IS B


Industrialists from the country Distopia were accused of promoting the Distopian intervention in the Arcadian civil war merely to insure that the industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits during the war. Yet this cannot be the motive since, as the Distopians foresaw, Distopia’s federal expenses for the intervention were eight billion dollars, whereas, during the war, profits from the Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia totaled only four billion dollars.
Which of the following, if true, exposes a serious flaw in the argument made in the second sentence above?
(A) During the Arcadian war, many Distopian industrialists with facilities located in Arcadia experienced a significant rise in productivity in their facilities located in Distopia.
(B) The largest proportion of Distopia’s federal expenses is borne by those who receive no significant industrial profits.
(C) Most Distopian industrialists’ facilities located in Arcadia are expected to maintain the level of profits they achieved during the war.
(D) Distopian industrialists’ facilities in Arcadia made substantial profits before the events that triggered the civil war.
(E) Many Distopians expressed concern over the suffering that Arcadians underwent during the civil war.


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something that hangs me down on this question is the relation $8 Billion expenses or cost of the war and than says Profit for the industrials, and as we know Profit = Revenue - Cost, so I assume Revenue is 8 billion - Cost for the industrials to produce product or service $4 billion = Profit from the stem $ Billion. So do we need to look for the weekener here in this part. but in that case the assumption to hold the conclusion ts that teh profit shoud have been higher than $ 4 billiion or more than 50% of the revenue. but because these industrials made only 4 $ billion they are not supporting the war, and that would be that these industrials did not make substantial profits so they are not motivated to support the war. So if my reasoning is correct than we need to disprove that in fact there was a motive and that 50 % or less profit margins is significant or something along those line? or? show that even small not significant profit would be a good motive to support the war? and than B comes saying that most of the invollved businiess enteties who take part of the war business do not inccure high profit but they are still in war business. which means that thay are in teh game even for small profit would support the war. is that what B trying to convey?

any thought, what you think?
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