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A, C and E does not have verb....between B and D... having were in the make the comparison clear... so it should D.

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New post 09 Jul 2013, 23:14
Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
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Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?

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Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
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Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?



This is an official question, everything is correct! The above sentence is perfect.

Where you place the ausiliar verb ("were") does not matter, both sentences are correct and mean the same thing.

The expantion of D is:

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were <isolated from Europeans> Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

If you have a specific doubt about D, please post it, but keep in mind that the your two examples mean the same thing.
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New post 09 Jul 2013, 23:33
Hi, Zarrolou.

Yes, both the sentences posted by me are one and the same. What I am not understanding is the literal expansion of the answer doesnt seem to be make a meaningful sentence. So, are there any assumptions to be made to make a meaningful sentence out of the given answer.
Below sentence from you doesnt make meaningful sentence to me.
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were isolated from Europeans Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

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Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
Hi,
Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?


hi,

whenever there is ambiguity in answer choice ..then that choice is wrong...

lets take a simple example:

john loves pizza more than his wife.

==>here you can interpret two meanings
1)john loves pizza more and he loves his wife less.(comparison between pizza and wife)
2)john loves pizza more than his wife loves pizza(comparison between john and his wife)

so we are not sure what we are comparing.
lets take our question:

Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
.here in this original sentence...we are not clear what we are comparing:
1)europeans and aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska
or
2)Inuits of the Bering Sea AND aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
..COMPARE TO ABOVE GIVEN EXAMPLE..TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

now in option D

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
HERE IT IS CLEAR THE COMPARISON IS BETWEEN:

Inuits of the Bering Sea AND aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.==>HENCE CORRECT

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Hi, Zarrolou.

Yes, both the sentences posted by me are one and the same. What I am not understanding is the literal expansion of the answer doesnt seem to be make a meaningful sentence. So, are there any assumptions to be made to make a meaningful sentence out of the given answer.


No, there is no assumption to be made.

What I'm trying to say is that both your examples are "meaningful sentence", and the position of "were" (what you change in your example) does not affect the meaning of the correct answer.

Hope my point is clear
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Hi Kiranck,

I have no issues with your expanded sentence.

Could you explain in more detail why it is wrong?

I think that would help us help you?

(BTW I don't mean why it is better or worse than your alternative, I agree this is also a good sentence, but in GMAT we don't want 'perfect' we just want the 'best available')

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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska (were isolated from contact with Europeans).

i feel the two right choices being from B and D B is fine

When should be use verb as is used in 'D' and when we can omit the verb as is done in 'B'. Please give your insight.


again the two right choices after the correction would be B or D where D 's use of were is unappreciated in the sentence so B is correct

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I chose B because I thought ellipsis is in play here. My question how can we be sure that ellipsis is not in play here.

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I chose B because I thought ellipsis is in play here. My question how can we be sure that ellipsis is not in play here.

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Could somebody help me on the above question?

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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?



B is incorrect because it distorts the intended meaning of the author. "were isolated.. longer than Aleuts or Inuits..." This implies that "Inuits were X, longer than (they were) Y or Z".. This compares three different properties of Inuits..

The "were" in E tells us that Inuits should be compared to Y and Z, NOT that Y and Z are properties/traits of Inuits.. "Inuits WERE X, longer than Y and Z WERE (X)" . That's the correct comparison and preserves the intended meaning of the author.

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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

The first thing which should be on mind when we find out any
any comparison is that both comparators should be equal. Here "X than Y", so X=Y.
"Inuits were isolated" cannot be equal to "Inuits of NP". And if we do so we are comparing
an action ( being isolated ) with directly a noun. Which can never make sense. We have to compare actions here. Hence "than WERE .... " is needed to show that we are comparing the isolation factor for both Inuits.
Anyway, I saw one more interesting point in this Q. How to choose between "C" and "D". I really hate to get an answer -- "It is idiomatic!". I think idioms are goodie packs for native english speakers. Anyways. I think "in isolation from" is not idiomatic. I will love to see some grammatical explanation for the same.


I think "than were" reads really awkward, and that's why I eliminate it in the first place.
What do you think?

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Hi guys...
just I don´t understand why the phrase "isolated from contact with" is Ok.

It wouldn´t be better to say just "isolated from europeans" or "without contact with"?
Because if something is isolated, it is obvious that it is without contact...
I understand that we need to choose the best option...but in my opinion all the options are not acceptable.
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than



OA: D

Clearly a ellipses error in rest of the option choices. A helping verb "were" is required to complete the comparison.
Also we can check for parallelism error
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
"In isolation" => wrong in GMAT.

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is the choice D can also be presented in this form?
" isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska were "

is Subject and verb can always be swop?

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is the choice D can also be presented in this form?
" isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska were "

Yes that's correct; in fact, this is quite a common pattern.
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