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Im having troubles with absolute value, im never sure if I considered all the options. Let me try:

Statement 1: \(2^{a-b} > 16\) can be rewritten as \(2^{a-b} > 2^4\). This means a-b must be > 4 in order to be true. Therefore a > 4 + b. However if B is negative, e.g. -10 and a is 3, the statement 1 is still true but it changes the answer to the question. Statement 1 = Insufficient.

Statement 2 Shows us that a-b<b and a+b<b because of the absolute values. Change the latter and you arrive at a<0. All this on it's own doesn't help. Insufficient.

Combined: a > 4 + b a<0

Plug in: a = -10 and b -15 > Is \(a > |b|?\) > NO

Sufficient if you combine it.
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Im having troubles with absolute value, im never sure if I considered all the options. Let me try:

Statement 1: \(2^{a-b} > 16\) can be rewritten as \(2^{a-b} > 2^4\). This means a-b must be > 4 in order to be true. Therefore a > 4 + b. However if B is negative, e.g. -10 and a is 3, the statement 1 is still true but it changes the answer to the question. Statement 1 = Insufficient.

Statement 2 Shows us that a-b<b and a+b<b because of the absolute values. Change the latter and you arrive at a<0. All this on it's own doesn't help. Insufficient.

The key to getting comfortable with Absolute Value questions is:

1. Understanding what Absolute Value means in the first place. We should not try to solve questions just by applying formulae without understanding why we are doing what we are doing. For example, in an expression |something| < c, why do we FLIP the sign of inequality and put a - sign before c when the 'something' is negative? You should feel confident about the logic behind this.

2. When you practice Absolute Value questions, do them step-by-step. DO NOT try to skip steps or do calculations in the air. This leads to mistakes that could have been easily avoided if we were writing each step down. Keeping this in mind, would you want to give the red part in your solution another try?

C statement 1, depending on whether a is positive or negative statement 2, tell us that a is negative so both together are sufficient.

one correction katzzzz, if statement 2, tells you that a is negative ; then a > |b| should be sufficient ? absolute value of any |xyz| is non-negative (can be 0 or >0 )

BTW, there is one more piece of information in stmt 2 (not much useful in this context , maybe) but good to know

\(|a–b|<b\) it tells us that b is non negative \(b > |absolute|\)
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a-b > 4 a >b+4 clearly not sufficient as we can have (a,b) pair as i) (-2,-6) and ii) (5,1) in i) a > |b| = no ; ii) a > |b| = yes

Stmt (2) \(|a – b| < b\)

two cases : when (a – b) > 0 ; |a – b| = (a - b) when (a – b) < 0 ; ; |a – b| = -(a - b)

case 1 : (a - b) < b a < 2b

case 2 : -(a - b) < b -a < 0 a < 0 (bit confused here , not sure if we multiply both sides with -1, should the sign flip ? ) but anyways with case 1, 2 we get two different solutions , case 1 ( say a=3, b=2 ; a < 2b true & a > |b| No ) not sufficient

Note that b is non-negative as b > |some absolute value|

combining both 1 & 2

a >b+4 ; b>=0 (note i am just using part of info from Stmt 2)

as b is positive , a is going to be positive too , so a > b+4 ; implies a > b sufficient

Im having troubles with absolute value, im never sure if I considered all the options. Let me try:

Statement 1: \(2^{a-b} > 16\) can be rewritten as \(2^{a-b} > 2^4\). This means a-b must be > 4 in order to be true. Therefore a > 4 + b. However if B is negative, e.g. -10 and a is 3, the statement 1 is still true but it changes the answer to the question. Statement 1 = Insufficient.

Statement 2 Shows us that a-b<b and a+b<b because of the absolute values. Change the latter and you arrive at a<0. All this on it's own doesn't help. Insufficient.

The key to getting comfortable with Absolute Value questions is:

1. Understanding what Absolute Value means in the first place. We should not try to solve questions just by applying formulae without understanding why we are doing what we are doing. For example, in an expression |something| < c, why do we FLIP the sign of inequality and put a - sign before c when the 'something' is negative? You should feel confident about the logic behind this.

2. When you practice Absolute Value questions, do them step-by-step. DO NOT try to skip steps or do calculations in the air. This leads to mistakes that could have been easily avoided if we were writing each step down. Keeping this in mind, would you want to give the red part in your solution another try?

Hope you found this discussion useful!

Best Regards

Japinder

Hello Japinder

Thanks for your comments. It's always nice to experience this spirit here on gmatclub.com (people helping each other). Im honest, yesterday I had to reread some theory about absolut value before I could start to solve your questions. Im still in the early stages of my preperation.

Okay, the red part:

a-b<b This is correct, rewrite as a<2b a+b<b Wow that's ugly, for the negative scenario the term needs to look like this with flipped sign: a-b > -b, which then translates into a>0

All in all Statement 2 tells us: b > |a-b| this means, that b is 0 or positive right? That's what I should have discovered at first! a<2b a>0

Is it that what you were missing in my remarks? If I now combine everything:

From Statement 1 a>4+b

From Statement 2 a>0 this is useless in combination with St. 1 a<2b this is useless in combination with St. 1 The most important is to see that b is 0 or positive. Combined with statement 1 then it will be sufficient.

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Statement 1 gives a-b>4 a> b+4. Now putting values of b as +2 we get a=6 In this case ans to thw ques is yes Now put b= -5 then a= -1. In this case ans is no.

Statement 1 insufficient

Statement 2 |a-b|<b

We can infer b is positive since b > positive value

|a-b| is always positive

Now on a number line |a-b| means distance between a and b

We inferred b is positive So following 2 cases are possible on number line Case1 <----------0--------a------b--------> In this case ans to the ques is No

Case 2 <---------0-----------b------a------> In this case ans to the ques is Yes

Hence statement 2 is also insufficient

Combining 1+2 we are left with only the case 2 which I mentioned above on number line as statement 1 gives a>b hence case 1 is eliminated. From case 2 on number line we get a definite Yes

Here I guess it does not make much difference but still want to put up that we cannot say b is non negative in statement 2.

B has to be positive I agree |a-b| can be equal to zero when a is equal to b But we are given that b>|a-b| so even if RHS here is zero, b has to be greater than zero which follows b cannot be equal to zero and hence b cannot be inferred as non negative as this will include b=0.

However, note that we cannot say for sure if a is positive or not. For example, a = -2, b = -6 also satisfy the inequality a – b > 4.

So, Statement 1 alone is not sufficient to answer the question.

Analysing Statement 2

|a - b | < b

For all possible values of a and b, |a-b| will be non-negative (that is, greater than or equal to zero) So, if b > |a-b| (as given in Statement 2), This means b is positive.

But in order to answer the question asked, we need to find if a is positive AND its magnitude is greater than that of b.

Since we are not able to answer this, St. 2 is clearly not sufficient.

Combining the two statements

From Statement 1, a > b From Statement 2, b is positive. Since b is positive, |b| = b . . . (1)

Substituting Equation 1 in the inequality from Statement 1: a > |b|

Thus, the two statements together are sufficient to answer the question.
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two cases : when (a – b) > 0 ; |a – b| = (a - b) when (a – b) < 0 ; ; |a – b| = -(a - b)

case 1 : (a - b) < b a < 2b

case 2 : -(a - b) < b -a < 0 a < 0 (bit confused here , not sure if we multiply both sides with -1, should the sign flip ? ) but anyways with case 1, 2 we get two different solutions , case 1 ( say a=3, b=2 ; a < 2b true & a > |b| No ) not sufficient

Note that b is non-negative as b > |some absolute value|

Thanks for your comments. It's always nice to experience this spirit here on gmatclub.com (people helping each other). Im honest, yesterday I had to reread some theory about absolut value before I could start to solve your questions. Im still in the early stages of my preperation.

Okay, the red part:

a-b<b This is correct, rewrite as a<2b a+b<b Wow that's ugly, for the negative scenario the term needs to look like this with flipped sign: a-b > -b, which then translates into a>0

All in all Statement 2 tells us: b > |a-b| this means, that b is 0 or positive right? That's what I should have discovered at first! a<2b a>0

Is it that what you were missing in my remarks? If I now combine everything:

From Statement 1 a>4+b

From Statement 2 a>0 this is useless in combination with St. 1 a<2b this is useless in combination with St. 1 The most important is to see that b is 0 or positive. Combined with statement 1 then it will be sufficient.

2 remarks, both pertaining to Statement 2 analysis:

1. Please look at the highlighted part. The correct statement would be:

|a-b| can be positive or 0.

Since b > |a-b|, this means b will be strictly greater than 0.

2. When you are considering different cases, always remember to also consider the defining conditions of those cases.

Let me explain what I mean:

Look at the pink line in the quote above. This is your case 1. What is the defining condition of Case 1? That a - b ≥ 0 (this is why you wrote |a-b| = a - b)

So, a ≥ b

So, you should combine the inequality you obtained from the pink line with this inequality to get:

b ≤ a < 2b

This can also be written as |b| ≤ a < 2b (|b| = b since b is positive)

Looking at this inequality, you can say that the answer to 'Is a > |b|' is YES (if a ≠ b) or NO (if a = b)

Now, look at the orange line in the quote above.

You are absolutely right in the way you processed the negative scenario, but remember to also consider that the defining condition of this case is that a - b < 0, that is, a < b

Therefore, the overall inequality that will result in this case will be:

0 < a < b.

This can also be written as 0 < a < |b| (|b| = b since b is positive)

Looking at this inequality, you can say that the answer to 'Is a > |b|' is NO

Since we do not get a unique YES/NO answer from St. 2, it is not sufficient.

Look at the blue part in the quote above. I hope that you are now able to see that the 2 cases of St. 2 felt useless in combination with St. 1 only because you did not take the defining conditions of the 2 cases into consideration.

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However, note that we cannot say for sure if a is positive or not. For example, a = -2, b = -6 also satisfy the inequality a – b > 4.

So, Statement 1 alone is not sufficient to answer the question.

Analysing Statement 2

|a - b | < b

For all possible values of a and b, |a-b| will be non-negative (that is, greater than or equal to zero) So, if b > |a-b| (as given in Statement 2), This means b is positive.

But in order to answer the question asked, we need to find if a is positive AND its magnitude is greater than that of b.

Since we are not able to answer this, St. 2 is clearly not sufficient.

Combining the two statements

From Statement 1, a > b From Statement 2, b is positive. Since b is positive, |b| = b . . . (1)

Substituting Equation 1 in the inequality from Statement 1: a > |b|

Thus, the two statements together are sufficient to answer the question.

How does -2 and -6 satisfy the inequality? -2 - (-6) =4, 4 is not > 4.

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