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# Is ab>bc?

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[Math Revolution GMAT math practice question]

Is ab>bc?

1) abc=0
2) a>c

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"Only $99 for 3 month Online Course" "Free Resources-30 day online access & Diagnostic Test" "Unlimited Access to over 120 free video lessons - try it yourself" Math Expert Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Posts: 7044 Re: Is ab>bc? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 14 Aug 2018, 17:06 1 1 Is ab>bc? ab-bc>0.......b(a-c)>0? So if b>0, a>c If b<0, a<c If b=0, NOT possible 1) abc=0 If b=0, NO.. But if $$b\neq{0}$$, Ans can be yes or no b=5, a=4 and c=0......yes b=5, a=0 and c=4......no Insufficient 2) a>c Nothing about B Insufficient Combined.. We still do not know anything about which is 0 and what is b Insufficient E _________________ 1) Absolute modulus : http://gmatclub.com/forum/absolute-modulus-a-better-understanding-210849.html#p1622372 2)Combination of similar and dissimilar things : http://gmatclub.com/forum/topic215915.html 3) effects of arithmetic operations : https://gmatclub.com/forum/effects-of-arithmetic-operations-on-fractions-269413.html GMAT online Tutor Math Revolution GMAT Instructor Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 6535 GMAT 1: 760 Q51 V42 GPA: 3.82 Re: Is ab>bc? [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 Aug 2018, 07:48 => Forget conventional ways of solving math questions. For DS problems, the VA (Variable Approach) method is the quickest and easiest way to find the answer without actually solving the problem. Remember that equal numbers of variables and independent equations ensure a solution. The first step of the VA (Variable Approach) method is to modify the original condition and the question. We then recheck the question. When we modify the question, $$ab > bc$$ is equivalent to $$ab – bc > 0$$ or $$b(a-c) > 0$$. Even though we know $$a – c > 0$$ from condition 2), we don’t know if $$b$$ is positive or negative. Thus, both conditions together are not sufficient. Conditions 1) & 2): If $$a = 1, b =1$$ and $$c = 0$$, then $$ab > bc$$ and the answer is ‘yes’. If $$a = 1, b =-1$$ and $$c = 0$$, then $$ab < bc$$ and the answer is ‘no’. Since we don’t have a unique solution, both conditions together are not sufficient. Therefore, E is the answer. Answer: E _________________ MathRevolution: Finish GMAT Quant Section with 10 minutes to spare The one-and-only World’s First Variable Approach for DS and IVY Approach for PS with ease, speed and accuracy. "Only$99 for 3 month Online Course"
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21 Aug 2018, 15:23
MathRevolution wrote:
[Math Revolution GMAT math practice question]

Is ab>bc?

1) abc=0
2) a>c

My approach kindly assist me where am i going wrong.

Rephrasing the question

ab>bc
therefore ab-bc>0 or b(a-c)>0 or a>c ( dividing both sides by b )

my question why cant we divide both sides by 'b' to get the equation as : a-c>0
Eg: b(a-c)/b > 0/b :- Now since 0/b =0 and b(a-c)/b cancels out 'b' wont the equation be (a-c)>0

or ab/b>bc/b = a>c

So there is no need for B here.
Stmt 1: ac =0 ( I haven't considered B in this statement as i managed to cancel it as per the above equation )
a=0 or c=0 clearly insufficient.
a-c>0 If a=0 and c=2 then we have (0-2)>0 NO
If a=2 and c=0 then we have (2-0)>0 Yes

Stmt 2: a>c

Without Plugging in values : ab>bc then divide both sides by 'b' to get a>c. Sufficient.

the same is confirmed when plugging in values as well.
If a and c both are negative a=-2 and c=-4 then we have (-2>-4). So -2-(-4)= -2+4>0 YES
If a and c are both positive a=4 and c=2 then we have (4-2)>0 YES

As per my approach i get B as the answer.
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26 Aug 2018, 11:06
Avinasht123 wrote:
MathRevolution wrote:
[Math Revolution GMAT math practice question]

Is ab>bc?

1) abc=0
2) a>c

My approach kindly assist me where am i going wrong.

Rephrasing the question

ab>bc
therefore ab-bc>0 or b(a-c)>0 or a>c ( dividing both sides by b )

my question why cant we divide both sides by 'b' to get the equation as : a-c>0
Eg: b(a-c)/b > 0/b :- Now since 0/b =0 and b(a-c)/b cancels out 'b' wont the equation be (a-c)>0

or ab/b>bc/b = a>c

So there is no need for B here.
Stmt 1: ac =0 ( I haven't considered B in this statement as i managed to cancel it as per the above equation )
a=0 or c=0 clearly insufficient.
a-c>0 If a=0 and c=2 then we have (0-2)>0 NO
If a=2 and c=0 then we have (2-0)>0 Yes

Stmt 2: a>c

Without Plugging in values : ab>bc then divide both sides by 'b' to get a>c. Sufficient.

the same is confirmed when plugging in values as well.
If a and c both are negative a=-2 and c=-4 then we have (-2>-4). So -2-(-4)= -2+4>0 YES
If a and c are both positive a=4 and c=2 then we have (4-2)>0 YES

As per my approach i get B as the answer.

If we have a = 4 and c = 2, then a > c.
Put b = -1.
ab = (4)(-1) = -4
bc = (-1)2 = -2
Then ab < bc since -4 < -2.
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26 Aug 2018, 12:26
MathRevolution wrote:
Is ab>bc?

1) abc=0
2) a>c

(1+2) Insufficient:

Take (a,b,c) = (1,1,0) <YES>
Take (a,b,c) = (1,0,0) <NO>

The above follows the notations and rationale taught in the GMATH method.
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26 Aug 2018, 12:36
Avinasht123 wrote:
MathRevolution wrote:
[Math Revolution GMAT math practice question]

Is ab>bc?

1) abc=0
2) a>c

My approach kindly assist me where am i going wrong.

Rephrasing the question

ab>bc
therefore ab-bc>0 or b(a-c)>0 or a>c ( dividing both sides by b )

my question why cant we divide both sides by 'b' to get the equation as : a-c>0
Eg: b(a-c)/b > 0/b :- Now since 0/b =0 and b(a-c)/b cancels out 'b' wont the equation be (a-c)>0

or ab/b>bc/b = a>c

So there is no need for B here.
Stmt 1: ac =0 ( I haven't considered B in this statement as i managed to cancel it as per the above equation )
a=0 or c=0 clearly insufficient.
a-c>0 If a=0 and c=2 then we have (0-2)>0 NO
If a=2 and c=0 then we have (2-0)>0 Yes

Stmt 2: a>c

Without Plugging in values : ab>bc then divide both sides by 'b' to get a>c. Sufficient.

the same is confirmed when plugging in values as well.
If a and c both are negative a=-2 and c=-4 then we have (-2>-4). So -2-(-4)= -2+4>0 YES
If a and c are both positive a=4 and c=2 then we have (4-2)>0 YES

As per my approach i get B as the answer.
Only one thing : don't divide by a variable unless you are sure it is a positive integer and not equal to zero.

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26 Aug 2018, 14:21
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When dividing by a variable is considered, you must consider two cases separately:

First case: you have an EQUATION involved. In this case, you may divide whenever the variable cannot assume the zero value.

Example: $$ab - {b^3}c = d{b^2}\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,a - {b^2}c = db$$ IF you can guarantee that b is different from zero.

Second case: you have an INEQUATION involved, that is, an inequality. In this case, you ALSO may divide whenever the variable cannot assume the zero value BUT

(i) if the variable can assume only positive values, the inequality sign is kept.
(ii) if the variable can assume only negative values, the inequality sign is reversed.

(If you cannot control the sign of the variable, you cannot be sure the inequality sign will be kept or reversed.)

Example: $$ab - {b^3}c > d{b^2}\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,\left\{ \begin{gathered} a - {b^2}c > db\,\,\,\,\,\,\left( {b > 0} \right) \hfill \\ a - {b^2}c < db\,\,\,\,\,\,\left( {b < 0} \right) \hfill \\ \end{gathered} \right.$$

Please note that it doesn´t matter if the variable takes only integer values or not. This is irrelevant for all the discussion above.

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27 Aug 2018, 04:31
Thank you for the kudos, Avinasht123 !

If you have any other "conceptual" doubt, please feel free to post it in this forum and send to me a private message, including the link to that post.

I will be happy to help you understand the "theoretical subtleties" (there are many!) that belong to the GMAT content. And, yes, I will always be GMAT-focused, although I love the mathematics that goes far beyond the exam.

May I give you a suggestion? If you are that "rare type" of student who wants to understand the subject deeply, so that an outstanding performance is a "sub-product" of your knowledge and competence, try my method through a complete test drive you will obtain as soon as you register on my site (http://www.gmath.net).

It´s not (just a matter of) business (although I really "earn my living" teaching quant GMAT since 2000): I really believe in the bold statement above. (Yes, bold in the two senses, LoL.)

Fabio.
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