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Is anyone else thinking about taking a federal student loan even though you don't *need* it?

Federal student loans have pretty decent interest rates, and plus you get to deduct the interest if you itemize your taxes (I think).

So you keep your stocks and bonds invested in the market. You borrow to cover your tuition. If the market goes up by more than the loan rate, you win. If the market goes down, you're pretty screwed, especially if you work in an industry that's correlated with the market.

But as long as you can make the mininum payments without selling your assets, you can take a long-term view and (hopefully) come out ahead.

What does everyone think?


Yea I thought about it, but I just didnt see an upside... unless you can get it unsubsidized... youd have to make 10% or so to just break even...
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Both federal and private loans are only available up to the total cost of attending right?

Yes, but "total cost" is objective. You can take out quite a bit in "living expenses." I've heard of people paying for engagement rings with their student loans (not officially). I budgeted for all kinds of travel and extras when I submitted my loan application.

Also, your federal loan amount will probably only cover a fraction of your overall cost.
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Is anyone else thinking about taking a federal student loan even though you don't *need* it?

Yea I thought about it, but I just didnt see an upside...


Federal student loans have deferred payments and are 0% interest while in school, right? So you can take out the loan and pay it all off after graduation. In the meantime, you can invest your money elsewhere.

Please correct me if that's wrong... in that case, I need to decline federal loans :)


I thought you could only borrow up to $8,500 at 0% interest while in school (the rest, up to $18K, is NOT interest free for two years), and ONLY if you qualify - that is, if your assets dont preclude you from qualifying. Otherwise.... you incur interest on all of it - from the moment you get it.

Presumably, if you don't NEED the money, you wont qualify for it on in a subsidized state (0% interest for 2 years) - in which case you'll pay 6.8%, which, while low, isnt risk free low - that is, to make that money earn at least 6.8% - post tax, you'd have to be making 8 or 9% minimum.

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A subsidized loan is awarded on the basis of financial need. You wont be charged any interest before you begin repayment or during deferment periods. The federal government subsidizes the interest during these periods.

# You must have submitted a FAFSA.
# For subsidized Stafford loans, you must have financial need as determined by your school.
# You must be a U.S. citizen or national, a U.S. permanent resident, or eligible non-citizen.

So, if I've read things correctly, the BEST I can do is get $8,500 in interest free stuff for 2 years - assuming I qualify - but you still pay a fee...

"You�ll pay a fee of up to 4 percent of the loan, deducted proportionately from each loan disbursement. (Part of the fee is for insurance used to pay off loan defaults; the rest reduces the cost of the loan to the government.) Because of this deduction, you'll receive slightly less than the amount you're borrowing."

So I pay 4% on the 8500 - or $340 ... So I get to invest $8,160 for 2 years interest free - assuming I make 5% each year - I walk away with $8996, and owe $8500 - I make less than $500 - BEFORE taxes. If instead, I loose 5% each year - I loose about $1100.

All that paperwork, hassle, fees and RISK - even with the interest free loan!! - to MAYBE make an extra $10 a month doesnt seem worthwhile.

Aaudetat, correct me if im wrong ;)
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Think of your school debt as a mortgage. Don't think of it as like credit card debt. It's "smart" debt, a true investment, not just money that you blew on plasma TV's and cars.

And whenever you're having trouble getting motivated to study, or if you're thinking of blowing off a study session so you can go see Chris Robinson's solo show at the house of blues, think to yourself, "Oh dam, I'm paying a lot of money to do this business school thing, I better make the most of it."
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I am freaking out about it a little. Thats a hefty monthly payment that commits you to having to work at a certain salary level for quite a long time. A former colleague of mine actually advised against business school for this very reason. He had come to view those monthly payments as a yoke that kept him from doing the kind of stuff he really wanted to do with his life.
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I am freaking out about it a little. Thats a hefty monthly payment that commits you to having to work at a certain salary level for quite a long time. A former colleague of mine actually advised against business school for this very reason. He had come to view those monthly payments as a yoke that kept him from doing the kind of stuff he really wanted to do with his life.


Bingo.. exactly what I'm worried about.

Squali83 - I'm definately leaning towards tech due to the cheaper tuition, plus I have free rent there. I'd love to got to Vandy, but the debt is scaring me off..I guess you can say I'm having cold feet right now.
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I am freaking out about it a little. Thats a hefty monthly payment that commits you to having to work at a certain salary level for quite a long time. A former colleague of mine actually advised against business school for this very reason. He had come to view those monthly payments as a yoke that kept him from doing the kind of stuff he really wanted to do with his life.


Damn this scenario scares the hell out of me...

Motivation to do an MBA is to explore diverse careers or do what i truly wanna do but if the HUGE debt that i will incur might screw the whole plans

scary...real scary
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Free rent def helps! That is really nice. As for being scared about debt, I have yet to meet a MBA that regrets making the move to pursue the degree. Almost everyone cherishes their time in school and says it was two of the most wonderful years of their life. Even though the debt is substantial, I would say it makes sense to worry but your worries should be eased.
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Debt in this case isn't a horrible thing, lets do the math:

Say you spend 100-150k on an MBA, your prior salary was say 75k and your post is 110k, you have effectively increased your salary by 35k or around 1400 per month after tax. 150k at 6.5% over 15 years is $1300 a month, 100k at 6.5% over 15 years is $872 per month. So even on the high side, you are still technically ahead of the game. Worst case scenario, you put off buying a house for 5 years and agressively pay down debt first.
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Did you miss the lost wages in your calculation ?

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Debt in this case isn't a horrible thing, lets do the math:

Say you spend 100-150k on an MBA, your prior salary was say 75k and your post is 110k, you have effectively increased your salary by 35k or around 1400 per month after tax. 150k at 6.5% over 15 years is $1300 a month, 100k at 6.5% over 15 years is $872 per month. So even on the high side, you are still technically ahead of the game. Worst case scenario, you put off buying a house for 5 years and agressively pay down debt first.
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The OP was worried about debt incurred, not the total cost of the MBA. Lost wages in this case will not significantly increase debt load assuming that debt covers your needs as well as tuition.
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Good info natty light :). The specifics for supplemental and private loans can vary by school. Some schools have preferred lenders that offer guaranteed loans in conjunction with the school. Some schools even guarantee loans for international students who wouldn't otherwise be able to borrow educational loans in the US.
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Is anyone else thinking about taking a federal student loan even though you don't *need* it?

Federal student loans have pretty decent interest rates, and plus you get to deduct the interest if you itemize your taxes (I think).

So you keep your stocks and bonds invested in the market. You borrow to cover your tuition. If the market goes up by more than the loan rate, you win. If the market goes down, you're pretty screwed, especially if you work in an industry that's correlated with the market.

But as long as you can make the mininum payments without selling your assets, you can take a long-term view and (hopefully) come out ahead.

What does everyone think?
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I think the federal loan interest rate is around 6.8%.Even if you put your money in an online savings account such as ING (~5% interest rate) the difference is marginal. Might as well take the federal loan. Private loans at prime plus rates is a different story.
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Both federal and private loans are only available up to the total cost of attending right?
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Both federal and private loans are only available up to the total cost of attending right?


As far as I know, thats right.
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naturallight wrote:
Is anyone else thinking about taking a federal student loan even though you don't *need* it?

Yea I thought about it, but I just didnt see an upside...


Federal student loans have deferred payments and are 0% interest while in school, right? So you can take out the loan and pay it all off after graduation. In the meantime, you can invest your money elsewhere.

Please correct me if that's wrong... in that case, I need to decline federal loans :)
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