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# Is the 3-digit number abc divisible by 7? ( a , b , and c

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Q: Is the 3-digit number abc divisible by 7? (a, b, and c are the respective digits of the 3-digit number)

(1): The 2-digit number ab minus (c * 2) is divisible by 7.
(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7.
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01 Jan 2004, 22:56
Either is sufficient.

And I cannot explain why...

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01 Jan 2004, 23:10
stoolfi wrote:
Either is sufficient.

And I cannot explain why...

Initially I didn't find

(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7 useful

For example,
112 = 2(1)+3(1)+2 =7
497 = 2(4)+3(9)+7 =42

While I tried with the example here I found this to be sufficient. You are right.

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01 Jan 2004, 23:25
Geethu wrote:
stoolfi wrote:
Either is sufficient.

And I cannot explain why...

Initially I didn't find

(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7 useful

For example,
112 = 2(1)+3(1)+2 =7
497 = 2(4)+3(9)+7 =42

While I tried with the example here I found this to be sufficient. You are right.

Are you SURE that this is true for ALL a, b, and c?
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01 Jan 2004, 23:30
I suppose a student who had worked very hard would recognize both of these tests as divisibility tests for the number 7. In fact, when I looked at them, each looked familiar, since I had gone off on a little tangent about this after missing an only slightly related problem months ago.

To "solve" this problem, I tried to pick a few very different numbers that fit the case-- odds and evens, all odds and all evens, 007, 056, etc. I also wrote out a string of the numbers, and it started to "clixk" mentally as I saw how changing the digits changed the formulas.

Time spent: 3 minutes. Too much for the test. To be really sharp, I suppose, one would have to quickly identify a reason why these formulas might work. I couldn't do it, and I hope someone who knew the question intuitively can explain it.

On the other hand, maybe I missed it...

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02 Jan 2004, 09:20
Is there a trick in this ? I don't find a 3 digit number which doesn't follow the formula 2.

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02 Jan 2004, 12:51
1. take a =b=3 and c = 1 =>

9-2=7 but 3.3.1 is not divi by 7
=> 1 insuff

2. take a=3, b=1 and c=5 =>14/7 is good but a.b.c is not % 7.

for C - considering 1 and 2 together does not lead any where either. Rather I just looked at the given equations and my gut feel is that they will not, hence Ans = E.

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02 Jan 2004, 12:58
bat_car wrote:
1. take a =b=3 and c = 1 =>

9-2=7 but 3.3.1 is not divi by 7
=> 1 insuff

2. take a=3, b=1 and c=5 =>14/7 is good but a.b.c is not % 7.

for C - considering 1 and 2 together does not lead any where either. Rather I just looked at the given equations and my gut feel is that they will not, hence Ans = E.

We will take your example itself.
1. If we take a=b=3 then ab-c*2 = 33-2 = 31. It is not a*b-c*2

2. a=3,b=1,c=5 then abc= 315 which is divisible by 7.

The problem says abc are digits of a three digit number.

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02 Jan 2004, 19:49
Geethu wrote:
bat_car wrote:
1. take a =b=3 and c = 1 =>

9-2=7 but 3.3.1 is not divi by 7
=> 1 insuff

2. take a=3, b=1 and c=5 =>14/7 is good but a.b.c is not % 7.

for C - considering 1 and 2 together does not lead any where either. Rather I just looked at the given equations and my gut feel is that they will not, hence Ans = E.

We will take your example itself.
1. If we take a=b=3 then ab-c*2 = 33-2 = 31. It is not a*b-c*2

2. a=3,b=1,c=5 then abc= 315 which is divisible by 7.

The problem says abc are digits of a three digit number.

It is easy to find examples that work. Can anyone figure out a simple way to PROVE that either statement is sufficient for ALL a, b, and c?
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02 Jan 2004, 21:12
Here is the general solution:

10*a+b-2c = 7k (k any positive integer)

100a+10b+c = 10(10a+b) +c = 10(7k+2c)+c = 7{(10k)+3c} is div by 7.

Do the next on the same lines but substitute for c instead and that will give an answer as well.

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03 Jan 2004, 08:20
Excellent approach mantha. Two thumbs up!
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10 Jan 2004, 17:10
condition 1)

ab-2c = 7k
10a+b = 7k+2c
so
100a+10b+c = 70k+20c+c = 7(10k+3c) so abc is divisible

condition 2)

2a+3b+c = 7j

100a+150b+50c = 350j
so
100a+10b+c = 350j-140b-49c so abc is divisible

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10 Jan 2004, 18:20
Quote:
(1): The 2-digit number ab minus (c * 2) is divisible by 7.
(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7.

got D. this is how:

to prove: abc/7 or, (100a+10b+c)/7

1) (10a+b-2c)/7 = integer
or, 10a/7 + b/7 -2c/7 = integer
each of the value needs to be a multiple of 7 to make the final answer an integer.

which tells that (100a+10b+c)/7 is an integer
so, sufficient

2)2a/7 + 3b/7 + c/7 = integer
same reasoning as 1st's

sufficient.

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11 Jan 2004, 04:43
dj wrote:
Quote:
(1): The 2-digit number ab minus (c * 2) is divisible by 7.
(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7.

got D. this is how:

to prove: abc/7 or, (100a+10b+c)/7

1) (10a+b-2c)/7 = integer
or, 10a/7 + b/7 -2c/7 = integer
each of the value needs to be a multiple of 7 to make the final answer an integer.

which tells that (100a+10b+c)/7 is an integer
so, sufficient

2)2a/7 + 3b/7 + c/7 = integer
same reasoning as 1st's

sufficient.

This is bad reasoning. A sum can be divisible by something that none of the part are divisible by....
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11 Jan 2004, 06:36
AkamaiBrah wrote:
dj wrote:
Quote:
(1): The 2-digit number ab minus (c * 2) is divisible by 7.
(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7.

got D. this is how:

to prove: abc/7 or, (100a+10b+c)/7

1) (10a+b-2c)/7 = integer
or, 10a/7 + b/7 -2c/7 = integer
each of the value needs to be a multiple of 7 to make the final answer an integer.

which tells that (100a+10b+c)/7 is an integer
so, sufficient

2)2a/7 + 3b/7 + c/7 = integer
same reasoning as 1st's

sufficient.

This is bad reasoning. A sum can be divisible by something that none of the part are divisible by....

accepted. But, won't individual divisibilities lead to Sum's divisibility?

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14 Jan 2004, 01:36
dj wrote:
AkamaiBrah wrote:
dj wrote:
Quote:
(1): The 2-digit number ab minus (c * 2) is divisible by 7.
(2): 2*a + 3*b + c is divisible by 7.

got D. this is how:

to prove: abc/7 or, (100a+10b+c)/7

1) (10a+b-2c)/7 = integer
or, 10a/7 + b/7 -2c/7 = integer
each of the value needs to be a multiple of 7 to make the final answer an integer.

which tells that (100a+10b+c)/7 is an integer
so, sufficient

2)2a/7 + 3b/7 + c/7 = integer
same reasoning as 1st's

sufficient.

This is bad reasoning. A sum can be divisible by something that none of the part are divisible by....

accepted. But, won't individual divisibilities lead to Sum's divisibility?

Yes, but you claim in your reasoning that each part "needs to be" divisible in order for the sum to be divisible. this is not true.
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