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Works. Thanks for pointing out the mistake and quick response too. I am just learning this so working ground up, hence I am not hesitant in taking long route initially. After next few questions, I would be tuned to extract the ranges :-) I guess. Is there a condition on squaring the sides of the equation or inequation.

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A. We can raise both parts of an inequality to an even power if we know that both parts of an inequality are non-negative (the same for taking an even root of both sides of an inequality).
For example:
\(2<4\) --> we can square both sides and write: \(2^2<4^2\);
\(0\leq{x}<{y}\) --> we can square both sides and write: \(x^2<y^2\);

But if either of side is negative then raising to even power doesn't always work.
For example: \(1>-2\) if we square we'll get \(1>4\) which is not right. So if given that \(x>y\) then we can not square both sides and write \(x^2>y^2\) if we are not certain that both \(x\) and \(y\) are non-negative.

B. We can always raise both parts of an inequality to an odd power (the same for taking an odd root of both sides of an inequality).
For example:
\(-2<-1\) --> we can raise both sides to third power and write: \(-2^3=-8<-1=-1^3\) or \(-5<1\) --> \(-5^2=-125<1=1^3\);
\(x<y\) --> we can raise both sides to third power and write: \(x^3<y^3\).

So in statement (2) since both parts of expression are non-negative we can safely apply squaring.

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Is x > 0?

(1) |x + 3| = 4x – 3
(2) |x – 3| = |2x – 3|

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Remember: When you have || on both sides of eqn you do not need to VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn BUT when you have || on only one side you MUST VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn

(1) |x + 3| = 4x – 3
a) x + 3 = 4x – 3 => x=2 .. VALID
b) -(x + 3) = 4x – 3 => x=0 .. INVALID

Hence Sufficient

(2) |x – 3| = |2x – 3| => x = 0 or 6 .. INVALID
Hence In-Sufficient
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Bunnel,
For statement one, I understand that you have not solved for x in your solution. I am still learning the abs value and in equalities. Can you share your thoughts on the following solution (solving for x in both statements)

a. |x+3| = 4x -3
|x+3| = x + 3 for x + 3 >= 0 ---> x > -3.
Solving for x,
x + 3 = 4x -3 ---> 6 = 3x ---> x = 2 ( solution accepted since x > -3)

| x + 3| = -(x +3 ) for x + 3 < 0 --> x < -3.
Solving for x,
-x - 3 = 4x -3
5x = 0 ---> x = 0 ( solution discarded as x is not < -3)

A is sufficient.

b. |x -3| = |2x -3|
|x -3| = x -3 for x-3 >= 0 ---> x >= 3
|x -3| = -(x -3) for x-3 < 0 ---> x < 3

|2x -3 | = 2x -3 for 2x -3 >= 0 ----> x >=3/2
|2x -3 | = -(2x -3) for 2x -3 < 0 ----> x < 3/2

So we have 3 ranges

1) x >=3 ==> x - 3 = 2x -3 ====> x = 0 ; discard
2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> -(x-3) = 2x -3 ====> -x + 3 = 2x -3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution )
3) x < 3/2 ===> -(x-3) = -(2x -3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution)


Let me know if I have solved the question correctly. I know the process is lengthy.

One more question, if we consider the only acceptable solution in statement b i.e., x =2 (case 3/2 < x < 3), then both statements are sufficient independently and we get the answer as option (D).

Please discuss.

Regards


It seems that you understand this method very well.

Everything is correct except the red parts: -(x-3) = -(2x -3) --> x=0 (not x=3), so it's also a valid solution. Hence for (2) you have two valid solutions x=2 and x=0 (just like in my post above), which makes this statement not sufficient.

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Well, I have a little bit another solution for this problem

Consider (1): if x>-3 then x+3=4x-3, so x=2, sufficient
if x<-3, then -x-3=4x-3, which Leeds to answer x=0, which is wrong because we consider only x<-3
Sum up (1) is sufficient

The saim logic can be applied to the (2), and it is possible to derive that (2) is sufficient

So the answer is D either (1) is sufficient or (2) is sufficient

In your logic, you gave a mistake, because you've missed the root.

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Hi!

Why do we not find the positive and negative values for |x+3|=4x-3? Is it because this isn't a <, >, >= problem?

Thanks!

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Is x > 0?

(1) \(|x+3|=4x-3\) --> LHS is an absolute value, which is always non-negative (\(|some \ expression|\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be non-negative --> \(4x-3\geq{0}\) --> \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.

(2) \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\). Square both sides: \((x-3)^2=(2x-3)^2\) --> \((2x-3)^2-(x-3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2-b^2=(a-b)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: --> \(x(3x-6)=0\) --> \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.

Answer: A.

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\(|x+3|=4x-3\). Check point is at \(x=-3\) (check point, is the value of x for which the value of an expression in modulus equals to zero).

When \(x\leq{-3}\), then \(x+3<0\), thus \(|x+3|=-(x+3)\). So, in this case we have \(-(x+3)=4x-3\) --> \(x=0\) --> discard this solution since we consider the range when \(x\leq{-3}\).

When \(x>{-3}\), then \(x+3>0\), thus \(|x+3|=x+3\). So, in this case we have \(x+3=4x-3\) --> \(x=2\) --> since \(x=2>-3\), then this solution is valid.

So, we have that \(|x+3|=4x-3\) has only one root: \(x=2\).

Hope it's clear.
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vikram4689 wrote:
dvinoth86 wrote:
Is x > 0?

(1) |x + 3| = 4x – 3
(2) |x – 3| = |2x – 3|

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Remember: When you have || on both sides of eqn you do not need to VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn BUT when you have || on only one side you MUST VERIFY the answer by putting them back in eqn

(1) |x + 3| = 4x – 3
a) x + 3 = 4x – 3 => x=2 .. VALID
b) -(x + 3) = 4x – 3 => x=0 .. INVALID

Hence Sufficient

(2) |x – 3| = |2x – 3| => x = 0 or 6 .. INVALID
Hence In-Sufficient



Your statement 1 has two sceneries. Then how does it become sufficient?


Dear ranaazad

The solution quoted by you above has some tacit steps. I'll list them here:

St. 1 says: |x + 3| = 4x – 3 . . . (1)

Case 1: x + 3 > = 0

That is, x > = -3

In this case, |x+3| = (x+3)

So, Equation 1 becomes:

x + 3 = 4x - 3
=> 6 = 3x
=> x = 2

Does this value of x satisfy the condition of Case 1, that x > = -3?

Yes, it does. So, x = 2 is a valid value of x.

Let's now consider

Case 2: x + 3 < 0

That is, x < -3

In this case, |x+3| = -(x+3)

So, Equation 1 becomes:

-(x + 3) = 4x - 3
=> -x - 3 = 4x - 3
=> 0 = 5x
=> x = 0

Does this value of x satisfy the condition of Case 2, that x < -3?

No, it doesn't. So, x = 0 is an INVALID value of x.

Thus, we got only 1 valid value of X from Statement 1 (x = 2) and so, Statement 1 is sufficient to say that x > 0.

Hope this answered your doubt! :)

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I am not clear why are we taking ONLY x+3 as x+3>=0 and not x+3<=0?


Whenever you translate an absolute value to 'go both ways' like in that explanation, you need to take an additional step and double check to make sure you haven't come up with an invalid solution. You're correct that you need to consider both x + 3 > 0 and x + 3 < 0. But once you've figured out what that implies about the value of x, double check by plugging x back in. For instance, if x + 3 < 0, we ended up figuring out that x has to equal 0. But that's impossible, because 0 + 3 isn't less than 0. So, we didn't get a valid solution at all, and only the x + 3 > 0 solution worked.
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Well, I have a little bit another solution for this problem

Consider (1): if x>-3 then x+3=4x-3, so x=2, sufficient
if x<-3, then -x-3=4x-3, which Leeds to answer x=0, which is wrong because we consider only x<-3
Sum up (1) is sufficient

The saim logic can be applied to the (2), and it is possible to derive that (2) is sufficient

So the answer is D either (1) is sufficient or (2) is sufficient

In your logic, you gave a mistake, because you've missed the root.

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Welcome to GMAT Club.

Unfortunately your answer is not correct: OA for this question is A, not D (you can see it under the spoiler in the initial post).

(2) |x – 3| = |2x – 3| has two roots x=0 and x=2 (just substitute these values to see that they both satisfy the given equation), so you can not get the single numerical value of x, which makes this statement insufficient.

You can refer to above solutions for two different approaches of how to get these roots for (2). Please ask if anything remains unclear.
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Hi Bunuel
This is how I solved the 2 statements,
https://campl.us/fWdgqiT5EsK

and I get 0 & 2 for both statements, can u tell me what wrong am I doing?

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If you substitute x=0 in |x + 3| = 4x – 3 you'll get: LHS=|x + 3|=3 and RHS=4x – 3=-3, thus \(LHS\neq{RHS}\), which means that x=0 is not the root of the given equation.

When expanding |x+3|:

When x<-3, then |x+3|=-(x+3), so in this case we'll have -(x+3)=4x-3 --> x=0 --> discard this value since 0 is not less than -3 (we consider the range when x<-3).

When x>=-3, then |x+3|=x+3, so in this case we'll have x+3=4x-3 --> x=2 --> this value of x is OK since 2>-3.

So, |x + 3| = 4x - 3 has only one root, x=2.

Hope it's clear.
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Hmmm...

When I solve for the pos. and neg. values of |x+3|=4x-3 I get:

I. x+3=4x-3 ==> -3x=-6 ==> x=2
II. x+3=-(4x-3) ==> x+3=-4x+3 ==> 5x=0 ==> x=0

So here in my presumably incorrect simplification, I have x=2 and x=0 in which case we can't be sure if x>0

For many abs. value questions it seems that you have to find the positive and negative cases each equation. I get that in this case, |x+3|=4x-3 means that 4x-3 is positive but why for other, similar questions, is solving for the positive and negative cases necessary?

Bunuel wrote:
WholeLottaLove wrote:
Hi!

Why do we not find the positive and negative values for |x+3|=4x-3? Is it because this isn't a <, >, >= problem?

Thanks!

Bunuel wrote:
Is x > 0?

(1) \(|x+3|=4x-3\) --> LHS is an absolute value, which is always non-negative (\(|some \ expression|\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be non-negative --> \(4x-3\geq{0}\) --> \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.

(2) \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\). Square both sides: \((x-3)^2=(2x-3)^2\) --> \((2x-3)^2-(x-3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2-b^2=(a-b)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: --> \(x(3x-6)=0\) --> \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.

Answer: A.

Hope it helps.


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Bunuel wrote:
\(|x+3|=4x-3\). Check point is at \(x=-3\) (check point, is the value of x for which the value of an expression in modulus equals to zero).

When \(x\leq{-3}\), then \(x+3<0\), thus \(|x+3|=-(x+3)\). So, in this case we have \(-(x+3)=4x-3\) --> \(x=0\) --> discard this solution since we consider the range when \(x\leq{-3}\).

When \(x>{-3}\), then \(x+3>0\), thus \(|x+3|=x+3\). So, in this case we have \(x+3=4x-3\) --> \(x=2\) --> since \(x=2>-3\), then this solution is valid.

So, we have that \(|x+3|=4x-3\) has only one root: \(x=2\).

Hope it's clear.


Why do we discard that solution?


We consider the range \(x\leq{-3}\). x=0 is out of this range.

Check absolute values chapter of math book: math-absolute-value-modulus-86462.html

Hope it helps.
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I've been struggling a lot in inequalities.. I've a question pertaining to solution provided by saxenaashi ...


1) x >=3 ==> x - 3 = 2x -3 ====> x = 0 ; discard[Understood this part]2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> -(x-3) = 2x -3 ====> -x + 3 = 2x -3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution )[Did not understand, Why -ve sign is here as the x range is positive]3) x < 3/2 ===> -(x-3) = -(2x -3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution)[Understood]
Another thing is 3/2(inclusive) is not at all considered in the range in any of the three checkpoints.

What am i missing here and how to solve these questions effectively


Absolute value properties:

When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\).

SOLUTION:

We have two transition points for \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\): \(x=\frac{3}{2}\) and \(x=3\). Thus three ranges to check:
1. \(x<\frac{3}{2}\);
2. \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\);
3. \(3<x\)

Note that it does not matter in which range(s) you include the transition points with "=" sign as long you include them.

1. When \(x<\frac{3}{2}\), then \(x-3\) is negative and \(2x-3\) is negative too, thus \(|x-3|=-(x-3)\) and \(|2x-3|=-(2x-3)\).

Therefore for this range \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) transforms to \(-(x-3)=-(2x-3)\) --> \(x=0\). This solution is OK, since \(x=0\) is in the range we consider (\(x<\frac{3}{2}\)).

2. When \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\), then \(x-3\) is negative and \(2x-3\) is positive, thus \(|x-3|=-(x-3)\) and \(|2x-3|=2x-3\).

Therefore for this range \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) transforms to \(-(x-3)=2x-3\) --> \(x=2\). This solution is OK, since \(x=2\) is in the range we consider (\(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\)).

3. When \(3<x\), then \(x-3\) is positive and \(2x-3\) is positive too, thus \(|x-3|=x-3\) and \(|2x-3|=2x-3\).

Therefore for this range \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) transforms to \(x-3=2x-3\) --> \(x=0\). This solution is NOT OK, since \(x=0\) is NOT in the range we consider (\(3<x\)).

Thus \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) has two solutions \(x=0\) and \(x=2\).

Hope it's clear.

P.S. Though for this particular question I still suggest another approach shown in my post here: is-x-0-1-x-3-4x-3-2-x-3-2x-127978.html#p1048512
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Forget conventional ways of solving math questions. In DS, Variable approach is the easiest and quickest way to find the answer without actually solving the problem. Remember equal number of variables and independent equations ensures a solution

Is x > 0?
(1) |x + 3| < 4
(2) |x - 3| < 4

In case of inequality questions, it is important to note that conditions are sufficient if the range of the question includes the range of the conditions.
There is 1 variable (x) in the original condition. In order to match the number of variables and the number of equations, we need 1 equation. Since the condition 1) and 2) each has 1 equation, there is high chance that D is the answer.
In case of the condition 1), we can obtain -4<x+3<4. This yields -7<x<1. Since the range of the question does not include the range of the condition, the condition 1) is not sufficient.
In case of the condition 2), we can obtain -4<x-3<4. This also yields, -1<x<7. Since the range of the question does not include the range of the condition, the condition 2) is not sufficient.
Using both the condition 1) and 2), since -1<x<1, the range of the question does not include the range of the conditions. Therefore, the conditions are not sufficient and the correct answer is E.

For cases where we need 1 more equation, such as original conditions with “1 variable”, or “2 variables and 1 equation”, or “3 variables and 2 equations”, we have 1 equation each in both 1) and 2). Therefore, there is 59 % chance that D is the answer, while A or B has 38% chance and C or E has 3% chance. Since D is most likely to be the answer using 1) and 2) separately according to DS definition. Obviously there may be cases where the answer is A, B, C or E.
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Is x > 0?

(1) \(|x+3|=4x-3\) --> LHS is an absolute value, which is always non-negative (\(|some \ expression|\geq{0}\)), so RHS must also be non-negative --> \(4x-3\geq{0}\) --> \(x\geq{\frac{3}{4}}\), hence \(x>0\). Sufficient. You can see here that you don't even need to find exact value(s) of x to answer the question.

(2) \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\). Square both sides: \((x-3)^2=(2x-3)^2\) --> \((2x-3)^2-(x-3)^2=0\). Apply \(a^2-b^2=(a-b)(a+b)\), rather than squaring: --> \(x(3x-6)=0\) --> \(x=0\) or \(x=2\). Not sufficient.

Answer: A.

Hope it helps.


Hi Bunuel!

Can you please tell me more/guide me towards more information about squaring both sides of an equation with absolute value? I was putting up multiple scenario equations but your solution clearly is faster. When can I square an absolute value equation? What do I need to think about?

Best wishes


When there are absolute values on both sides you can safely square. When there is an absolute value on one side and non-absolute value on another it becomes trickier - you should plug back the solutions to make sure that they are valid. You can search for similar questions here: search.php?search_id=tag&tag_id=37

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Bunuel wrote:
kawan84 wrote:
Hi Bunnel,
I've been struggling a lot in inequalities.. I've a question pertaining to solution provided by saxenaashi ...


1) x >=3 ==> x - 3 = 2x -3 ====> x = 0 ; discard[Understood this part]2) 3/2 < x < 3 ===> -(x-3) = 2x -3 ====> -x + 3 = 2x -3 ===> x =2 ( accepted solution )[Did not understand, Why -ve sign is here as the x range is positive]3) x < 3/2 ===> -(x-3) = -(2x -3) ====> x = 3 (discarded the solution)[Understood]
Another thing is 3/2(inclusive) is not at all considered in the range in any of the three checkpoints.

What am i missing here and how to solve these questions effectively


Absolute value properties:

When \(x\leq{0}\) then \(|x|=-x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(|-5|=5=-(-5)\);

When \(x\geq{0}\) then \(|x|=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(|some \ expression|={some \ expression}\). For example: \(|5|=5\).

SOLUTION:

We have two transition points for \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\): \(x=\frac{3}{2}\) and \(x=3\). Thus three ranges to check:
1. \(x<\frac{3}{2}\);
2. \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\);
3. \(3<x\)

Note that it does not matter in which range(s) you include the transition points with "=" sign as long you include them.

1. When \(x<\frac{3}{2}\), then \(x-3\) is negative and \(2x-3\) is negative too, thus \(|x-3|=-(x-3)\) and \(|2x-3|=-(2x-3)\).

Therefore for this range \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) transforms to \(-(x-3)=-(2x-3)\) --> \(x=0\). This solution is OK, since \(x=0\) is in the range we consider (\(x<\frac{3}{2}\)).

2. When \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\), then \(x-3\) is negative and \(2x-3\) is positive, thus \(|x-3|=-(x-3)\) and \(|2x-3|=2x-3\).

Therefore for this range \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) transforms to \(-(x-3)=2x-3\) --> \(x=2\). This solution is OK, since \(x=2\) is in the range we consider (\(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\)).

3. When \(3<x\), then \(x-3\) is positive and \(2x-3\) is positive too, thus \(|x-3|=x-3\) and \(|2x-3|=2x-3\).

Therefore for this range \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) transforms to \(x-3=2x-3\) --> \(x=0\). This solution is NOT OK, since \(x=0\) is NOT in the range we consider (\(3<x\)).

Thus \(|x-3|=|2x-3|\) has two solutions \(x=0\) and \(x=2\).

Hope it's clear.

P.S. Though for this particular question I still suggest another approach shown in my post here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/is-x-0-1-x-3- ... l#p1048512



Dear Bunuel,

Would like to ask question on the part highlighted in red in your post, specifically on determining x - 3 is negative. Since the range is \(\frac{3}{2}\leq{x}\leq{3}\), then if i plug in 3/2 in x - 3, it will result in negative number, however if i plug in 3 in x - 3, it will result in 0 or non-negative, and therefore x - 3 can be negative or non-negative. In your post x - 3 must be negative, how do we eliminate the non-negative one ? Or do we simply ignore non-negative ?



Yes, \({x}\leq{3}\), gives \(x - 3 \leq 0\) but \(|x-3|=-(x-3)\) is still true. That's because |a| = -a when a <= 0. Meaning that if a is negative or 0, then |a| = -a. For example, if say a = -1, then |a| = -a = -(-1) = 1 and if say a = 0, then |a| = -a = -0 = 0.

Does this make sense?
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Mo2men wrote:
Thanks GMATGuruNY.

In this type of questions asking for sign of x, does this mean that I can deal with such statement in same manner like statement 1? or do I need open modulus to be sure from the sign?


Since the question stem asks whether x>0 -- and an equation with absolute value on both sides can have both a positive and a nonpositive solution -- I recommend that you solve the equation, either by opening up the modulus or by squaring both sides.
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