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It is well known in the supermarket industry that how items

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01 Jan 2013, 12:05
I agree Item A and Item B2 are parallel. Now, If I change the place of is, Are A & B1 parallel ?

Item A : how items are placed on shelves
Item B1 : how frequently the inventory is turned over are often crucial to profits.
Item B2 : how frequently the inventory turns over can be crucial to profits.

clauses 'are often crucial' and 'can be crucial to profit' does play any part while determining answer choices ?
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01 Jan 2013, 12:59
Yes i think they are parallel but then the same option is not there in the official answer options
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01 Jan 2013, 15:34
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D is wrong because is not Parallel to original sentence structure. "Frequently" is used as a noun here. Its an adverb, not a noun.

First part: How items are placed on shelves -> How + noun + verb --Original
D -> How frequently is the inventory turned over -> How + noun + verb + noun + verb --Not In Parallel
E -> How frequently the inventory turns over -> How + noun + verb --In Parallel
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01 Jan 2013, 17:10
looking at the overall sense of the sentence

how items are = a thing + another thing can be crucial

in D

how items are = a thing + $$IS$$ another thing are often..............

it doesn't make sense at all
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06 Jan 2016, 11:20
Hi daagh,

Any comments on the difference between D and E would be highly appreciated.

Thanks!
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06 Jan 2016, 13:57
umeshpatil wrote:
It is well known in the supermarket industry that how items are placed on shelves and the frequency of inventory turnovers can be crucial to profits.

(A) the frequency of inventory turnovers can be
(B) the frequency of inventory turnovers is often
(C) the frequency with which the inventory turns over is often
(D) how frequently is the inventory turned over are often
(E) how frequently the inventory turns over can be

OA: E

Between options D & E, I would choose 'are often' than 'can be'..
This question is based on parallel structure between 'how items are placed on shelves' and clause in options.

Why 'how frequently is the inventory turned over' is wrong ?

This sentence deals with parallelism error

A: How items are placed
NOUN + VERB
B: how frequently is the inventory
C: how frequently the inventory turns

This sentence has noun first and then verb. So E

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06 Jan 2016, 21:28
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Hi daagh,

Any comments on the difference between D and E would be highly appreciated.

Thanks!

the difference between D and E is that of parallelism. STATEMENTS can be parallel to STATEMENTS. STATEMENTS can NEVER be parallel to QUESTION CLAUSES.
D makes the EROR of making STATEMENT CLAUSE PARALLEL to QUESTION CLAUSE

D says: It is well known in the supermarket industry that how items are placed on shelves and how frequently is the inventory turned over are often

"how frequently is the inventory turned over are often" IS a QUESTION CLAUSE and it cannot be parallel to STATEMENT CLAUSE "how items are placed on shelves"
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06 Jan 2016, 22:03
the REDUNDANCY issue with "OFTEN" IS not there in D. The change of meaning from original option A is definitely there in D . we do not need to change the original meaning as long as the original meaning is sensical

STATEMENT 1: it is well known fact that X and Y CAN be CRUCIAL to profits ----->this discusses POSSIBILITY (as is done in option A and E)
STATEMENT 2: it is well known fact that X and Y ARE OFTEN crucial to profits----->this indicates CERTAINTY (as is done in D)--->this is change of meaning

please note that "OFTEN" in D is NOT MODIFYING "how frequently is the inventory turned over"
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06 Jan 2016, 22:14
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chetan wrote :May I ask you the difference between 'frequently' and 'often'
and again we would be arguing for sake of it, but I will wait for a logical reply, out of Oxford dictionary, to work upon or I would better leave that.

hi chetan

please note that REDUNDANCY would have applied had "OFTEN " modified "how frequently is the inventory turned over".
please note that "OFTEN" in D is NOT MODIFYING "how frequently is the inventory turned over"

i have mentioned this in my previous post . please read the TWO STATEMENTS in my previous post

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06 Jan 2016, 22:17
hi chetan

please note that REDUNDANCY would have applied had "OFTEN " modified "how frequently is the inventory turned over".
please note that "OFTEN" in D is NOT MODIFYING "how frequently is the inventory turned over"

i have mentioned this in my previous post . please read the TWO STATEMENTS in my previous post

Sorry. In a hurry to answer, i did not realize there was something in the statement after the underlined portion.
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06 Jan 2016, 22:20
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Sorry. In a hurry to answer, i did not realize there was something in the statement after the underlined portion.

No issue. You are always welcome and so are your ideas.
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06 Jan 2016, 22:32
umeshpatil wrote:
It is well known in the supermarket industry that how items are placed on shelves and the frequency of inventory turnovers can be crucial to profits.

(A) the frequency of inventory turnovers can be
(B) the frequency of inventory turnovers is often
(C) the frequency with which the inventory turns over is often
(D) how frequently is the inventory turned over are often
(E) how frequently the inventory turns over can be

OA: E

Between options D & E, I would choose 'are often' than 'can be'..
This question is based on parallel structure between 'how items are placed on shelves' and clause in options.

Why 'how frequently is the inventory turned over' is wrong ?

Hi,
i have two points on this Q, one which is for and one which is against the OA...

Why OA should be E and not D..
E carries the original meaning using probability through use of words "can be", while D changes it to certainty through use of " are often"..

having said that lets see How D is better than E..
Can the inventory change on its own... NO, it is required to be changed over..
what does E say here..
(E) how frequently the inventory turns over can be
it shows as if the inventory is turning over ..
D correctly says " how frequently is the inventory turned over" meaning some external force is doing the changeover and correctly so..

so a Q with errors in OA too.. but may be E wins because of original meaning but not without its share of errors.
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06 Jan 2016, 22:44
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having said that lets see How D is better than E..
Can the inventory change on its own... NO, it is required to be changed over..
what does E say here..
(E) how frequently the inventory turns over can be
it shows as if the inventory is turning over ..
D correctly says " how frequently is the inventory turned over" meaning some external force is doing the changeover and correctly so.

This ANALYSIS is pertinent. In fact I myself had asked this question to Mitch and he replied that PARALLELISM overrides and is very CRUCIAL . i can add one more thing . May be , and again may be, this construction "how frequently the inventory turns over can be" is an AMERICAN business lingo and is considered correct.
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07 Jan 2016, 01:21
In a good old question OG question like this, which is a subject of intense analysis due to the inherent intricacies, it is a surprise why there is no OE. Of course, our own perceptions about why OA is the best is okay, but when we deal with nuances, perhaps, we should be aware of the inkling of the originator, so that we can keep those ideas as take-aways for the future. I tried to get the OE online, but couldn’t. Will somebody give the OE please?
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07 Jan 2016, 03:30
daagh : please check the verbal review # 2nd edition (blue book) question no # 15 for the OE of this question
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08 Jan 2016, 21:26
umeshpatil wrote:
It is well known in the supermarket industry that how items are placed on shelves and the frequency of inventory turnovers can be crucial to profits.

(A) the frequency of inventory turnovers can be
(B) the frequency of inventory turnovers is often
(C) the frequency with which the inventory turns over is often
(D) how frequently is the inventory turned over are often
(E) how frequently the inventory turns over can be

OA: E

Between options D & E, I would choose 'are often' than 'can be'..
This question is based on parallel structure between 'how items are placed on shelves' and clause in options.

Why 'how frequently is the inventory turned over' is wrong ?

D reads like a question. "How frequently is the inventory turned over?"
E is the only viable option.
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25 Sep 2016, 04:28
E should be right due to parallelism in structure (and D seems wrong)
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25 Sep 2016, 05:19
daagh, in choice E, shouldn't we have

(E) how frequently the inventory turnover can be
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02 Aug 2017, 21:43
shikhar wrote:
It is well known in the supermarket industry that how items are placed on shelves and the frequency of
inventory turnovers can be crucial to profits.
(A) the frequency of inventory turnovers can be
(B) the frequency of inventory turnovers is often
(C) the frequency with which the inventory turns over is often
(D) how frequently is the inventory turned over are often
(E) how frequently the inventory turns over can be

We have to the make two clauses parallel after that .

Only E does that correctly
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