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# It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth

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446. It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being
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24 Jul 2009, 05:05
sudeep wrote:
IMO E.

OA is A, which I think is wrong, in A, B and D "venture" is not apropriate with the singular noun 'spacecraft', Anyway, C and E sounds much better using future tense and between C and E also went for E. Does anybody agree that there is something wrong with OA? How often does it happen?
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Natia!

It's a pretty good question
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I researched on net and found that OA is indeed A.

Following reasons I found. Someone please confirm:

1) 'Before', and other time words like 'after, until, when, as soon as', are not usually followed by future tense.

e.g.,
I'll call you before I cook dinner.
Before I die, I want to do....
[strike]Before I'll die.[/strike] is wrong.

2) spacecraft can be singular and plural. Similar to fish in the monkfish question. ==>justify the usage of venture and not ventures.

Finally Elimination:
It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be - correct
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
- Modifier placement of a planet
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
- "known now to be" is awkward; "now known to be" is preferred.
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

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24 Jul 2009, 06:56
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446. It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

it is A. D and E are wrong for using 'known now'. it should be 'now known'.

B is wrong for using plural verb 'venture'. and C is wrong for 'known as being' and i think 'again' is also mis placed.
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24 Jul 2009, 08:09
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Natia wrote:
446. It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

it is A. D and E are wrong for using 'known now'. it should be 'now known'.

B is wrong for using plural verb 'venture'. and C is wrong for 'known as being' and i think 'again' is also mis placed.

In your reasoning, why B is wrong for 'vintage', while A is correct with it?
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24 Jul 2009, 09:49
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ugimba wrote:
Natia wrote:
446. It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

it is A. D and E are wrong for using 'known now'. it should be 'now known'.

B is wrong for using plural verb 'venture'. and C is wrong for 'known as being' and i think 'again' is also mis placed.

In your reasoning, why B is wrong for 'vintage', while A is correct with it?

Sudeep .. you got me .. sorry didnt see that well. OK I eliminate B for using 'being' ... or wrong modifier. modifier should modify 'mars' so it should be closer to the modifier.

easy to eliminate, huh?
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24 Jul 2009, 23:47
What a tricky question."before" surely doesn't require future tense, as for "spacecraft" didn't know that it could be both countable and uncountable. Thanks for explanation
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20 Nov 2010, 00:25
I tend to disagree with the OA. (Please have such a tendency for all questions but those from OG - they are always correct).

Guys remember that being is almost always incorect and almost does not equal to always, I mean being is incorrect in 95-99% of cases, but in 1-5% of cases it is correct.

I am a non-native speaker, so idiom usage is on the most difficult areas for me.
What I do often, when I stuck on unknown idioms I refer to Oxford Dictionary.

In this particular case, I have seen the following:
known ~ sb/sth as sth [usuallypassive] to give sb/sth a particular name or title:
The drug is commonly known as Ecstasy. * Peter Wilson, also known as 'the Tiger'.

So the correct usage of idiom is X is known as Y.
I want to ask native speakers why this idiom is wrong here and what is the correct one.

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20 Nov 2010, 00:58
C and E which use the correct idiom of "as" have a flaw in that they use "will" --- which conveys certainty of the occurrence of an event in the future

It "may" be another 15 yrs <---> "will" venture --- use of the 2 will/may does not make sense; how can there be certainty that they will leave again for mars when it is not known whether they will take off for sure in 15 yrs time (they've put a "may" in the sentence).

Also note that A does not use "spacecraft" in singular form. Jus coz 's' is missing doesn't mean this word can't be used in plural form. Aircraft, spacecraft etc can be plural even without the 's'; i.e. it is singular and plural: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spacecraft
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20 Nov 2010, 04:17
I picked E. Tricky question!!
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20 Nov 2010, 19:36
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be (precise & clear: future & present tense)
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being (being – deadly word in GMAT)
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being (being – deadly word in GMAT)
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be (venture again sounds awkward and no need to use that as a referrant)
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being (being – deadly word in GMAT)

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I tend to disagree with the OA. (Please have such a tendency for all questions but those from OG - they are always correct).

Guys remember that being is almost always incorect and almost does not equal to always, I mean being is incorrect in 95-99% of cases, but in 1-5% of cases it is correct.

I am a non-native speaker, so idiom usage is on the most difficult areas for me.
What I do often, when I stuck on unknown idioms I refer to Oxford Dictionary.

In this particular case, I have seen the following:
known ~ sb/sth as sth [usuallypassive] to give sb/sth a particular name or title:
The drug is commonly known as Ecstasy. * Peter Wilson, also known as 'the Tiger'.

So the correct usage of idiom is X is known as Y.
I want to ask native speakers why this idiom is wrong here and what is the correct one.

thanks

Both Idiom usage is correct - Known to be .. and X known as Y.

Contextually, the intended meaning here was to infer what Mars is known to be to human beings.
Known as usage would be wrong because its used when u want to give an alias of some noun.
Eg - The drug is commonly known as Ecstasy. * Peter Wilson, also known as 'the Tiger'.

Known as vs known to be - MGMAT - Idioms chap.

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31 Aug 2011, 01:55
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446. It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.

(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is - redundant known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

"May" in the non-underlined part makes "will" useless.
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1. First and foremost, the sentence starts by saying that it "may" be... implying that whatever is gonna be written is someone's imagination or speculation or a guess.
When that happens you CANNOT use "will". If the sentence were to read the following:
Fifteen years from now, a spacecraft from earth "will" venture to Mars.

This sentence is correct because there is certainty.

Based upon this reasoning you can eliminate C and E.

2. Again and Now . both are adverbs and the placement of adverbs is also crucial. In D, what is "now" modifying? Known or to be? These are called squinted modifiers. After reading the sentence fully, yes, we can say that it is modifying known.. but it is not that clear gramatically. YOu can read more about squinted modifiers: http://gmattoughies.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... inted.html
So D is also out.

3. We are left with A and B. Some of you might say that B is incorrect as the modifier "again" should be as close to venture. Well, not all that true. I can give example: Will you spell your name again, please?
Here again is modifying spell, but look at its placement.
So there's something else that makes B incorrect.

4. If you saying that B is incorrect because it uses "known for" and not "known to" as the correct idiom.. I can give you another example
Ex 1: Which country is known for its wide use of sauces with its food?
Ex 2: Best known for its use as a mild antidepressant, St. John's wort is also being studied for its possible affects on other mood disorders such as anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

So usage of "known for" doesn't seem to be an issue.

Is "known for being" wrong? Again, there are examples to show that this is also correct
Ex 1: President Bush is known for being extremely profane.

So what is the problem with this sentence?

In the context of the whole sentence, the use of "known for being" and "known to be" is the key.

Known to be cold, dry and lifeless means that we are aware that mars has the characteristics as stated.

Known for being means that Mars is known as a planet that is cold, dry and lifeless..

Please re-read the sentences and you'll notice the subtle difference the meaning conveyed.

and that's the only difference that makes me choose A as the answer.
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17 Feb 2013, 05:16
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Natia!

It's a pretty good question
+1 kudos for you.

I researched on net and found that OA is indeed A.

Following reasons I found. Someone please confirm:

1) 'Before', and other time words like 'after, until, when, as soon as', are not usually followed by future tense.

e.g.,
I'll call you before I cook dinner.
Before I die, I want to do....
Before I'll die. is wrong.

2) spacecraft can be singular and plural. Similar to fish in the monkfish question. ==>justify the usage of venture and not ventures.

Finally Elimination:
It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be - correct
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
- Modifier placement of a planet
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
- "known now to be" is awkward; "now known to be" is preferred.
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

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Thanks! ... I was stuck at spacecraft being singular ..
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Natia wrote:
446. It may be another fifteen years before spacecraft from Earth again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be cold, dry, and probably lifeless.
(A) again venture to Mars, a planet now known to be
(B) venture to Mars again, a planet now known for being
(C) will venture to Mars again, a planet now known as being
(D) venture again to Mars, a planet that is known now to be
(E) will again venture to Mars, a planet known now as being

it is A. D and E are wrong for using 'known now'. it should be 'now known'.

B is wrong for using plural verb 'venture'. and C is wrong for 'known as being' and i think 'again' is also mis placed.

In your reasoning, why B is wrong for 'vintage', while A is correct with it?

The part after the comma should be followed immediately after "Mars", and not "again".
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