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Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

(1) Jane's average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
(2) It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.

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The official answer is C.

However, from my readings, i have learned that stopovers can mess up DS speed problems. EX Jane could have had a 5 minute stopover or a 10 minute stopover. And I believe that the answer should be E.

Also, I have read that a test-taker must not assume anything for DS. So, I must not assume that there was no stopover. Or should I say that I cannot assume that there was a stopover? Please help!


I am new to this site, so thank you in advance for the help.



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Hello to All!

i encountered this very hard DS question on the official GMAC practice test:

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Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.

The official answer is C.

However, from my readings, i have learned that stopovers can mess up DS speed problems. EX Jane could have had a 5 minute stopover or a 10 minute stopover. And I believe that the answer should be E.

Also, I have read that a test-taker must not assume anything for DS. So, I must not assume that there was no stopover. Or should I say that I cannot assume that there was a stopover? Please help!


I am new to this site, so thank you in advance for the help.

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I agree the OA should be E, unless something about stopovers is mentioned. In fact, in many distance, speed, time problems it is specificly mentioned that objects did or did not stop. So why this problem should be any exception.

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Hello to All!

i encountered this very hard DS question on the official GMAC practice test:

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Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.

The official answer is C.

However, from my readings, i have learned that stopovers can mess up DS speed problems. EX Jane could have had a 5 minute stopover or a 10 minute stopover. And I believe that the answer should be E.

Also, I have read that a test-taker must not assume anything for DS. So, I must not assume that there was no stopover. Or should I say that I cannot assume that there was a stopover? Please help!


I am new to this site, so thank you in advance for the help.



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Here we have "average speed", so stopover doesn't make any difference. Question is fine IMO.

(1) This gves time taken for whole trip..i.e. 75 min.
INSUFF

(2) x = time taken for first 2 miles
total time take x+x+15
INSUFF

From 1 & 2

2x+15 = 75
=> x = 30 min
Average speed for first 2 miles = 2/(30/60) = 4 miles/hr
SUFF...Ans C.

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At 7:00am, Claire leaves the spa, driving her car at 80kph she reaches her house at 7:15am, packs her artwork, and at 7:45am, leaves for the design lab, which is 10km from her house. If she drives her car at 40kph in going to the design lab, what will her average speed be from the spa to the lab ?

O 30 kph
O 40 kph
O 53.3 kph
O 60 kph
O 66.7 kph

The answer is below.








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At 7:00am, Claire leaves the spa, driving her car at 80kph she reaches her house at 7:15am, packs her artwork, and at 7:45am, leaves for the design lab, which is 10km from her house. If she drives her car at 40kph in going to the design lab, what will her average speed be from the spa to the lab ?

O 30 kph
O 40 kph
O 53.3 kph
O 60 kph
O 66.7 kph

In this case, total time taken = 1 hr
Distance covered = 80 * 1/4 + 10 = 30 km

Avg speed = 30 km/h

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Here we have "average speed", so stopover doesn't make any difference. Question is fine IMO.

(1) This gves time taken for whole trip..i.e. 75 min.
INSUFF

(2) x = time taken for first 2 miles
total time take x+x+15
INSUFF

From 1 & 2

2x+15 = 75
=> x = 30 min
Average speed for first 2 miles = 2/(30/60) = 4 miles/hr
SUFF...Ans C.

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I agree that 1. gives total time = 75 minutes.

However, 2. can give (x) + (stopover time) + (x+15).

So, combining 1. and 2., you get:
2x + 15 + (stopover time) = 75.
2x + (stopover time) = 60.

This is why I think that the answer should be E. But of course, I may be wrong in my assumptions (should I consider stopovers?)



NOTE
Average speed in traveling from point A to point B is defined to be the total distance from point A to point B, divided by the total time it takes to go from point A to point B, and this means that the stopover time will be important.

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I think the question is fine. we should just be relying on the info given. I won't lie, some of these probs get me too.

back to the orig prob. I was toying around w/this a bit and don't understand why this approach won't work (admittedly, Juaz's is much cleaner and quicker). Can anyone tell me why?
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Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.


1) t = 4/3.2

2)

1st leg:
rt = 2
t = 2/r

2nd leg:
r(t+15) = 2
rt + 15r = 2
t = 2 - 15r/r

2 - 15r/r + 2/r = 4/3.2 =

4-15r/r = 4/3.2

I tried solving for r and kept coming up empty. what gives???

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I think the question is fine. we should just be relying on the info given. I won't lie, some of these probs get me too.

back to the orig prob. I was toying around w/this a bit and don't understand why this approach won't work (admittedly, Juaz's is much cleaner and quicker). Can anyone tell me why?
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Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.


1) t = 4/3.2

2)

1st leg:
rt = 2
t = 2/r

2nd leg:
r(t+15) = 2
rt + 15r = 2
t = 2 - 15r/r

2 - 15r/r + 2/r = 4/3.2 =

4-15r/r = 4/3.2

I tried solving for r and kept coming up empty. what gives???


I understand now why stopovers do not count, cuz the stem says "It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles." which means stopovers already excluded, if there were any.

As for the last post, since it is DS, no need for calculations. in fact quite few DS`s have unrealistic answers, if you try to solve them.

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ggarr wrote:
I think the question is fine. we should just be relying on the info given. I won't lie, some of these probs get me too.

back to the orig prob. I was toying around w/this a bit and don't understand why this approach won't work (admittedly, Juaz's is much cleaner and quicker). Can anyone tell me why?
Quote:
Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.


1) t = 4/3.2

2)

1st leg:
rt = 2
t = 2/r

2nd leg:
r(t+15) = 2
rt + 15r = 2
t = 2 - 15r/r

2 - 15r/r + 2/r = 4/3.2 =

4-15r/r = 4/3.2

I tried solving for r and kept coming up empty. what gives???


I understand now why stopovers do not count, cuz the stem says "It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles." which means stopovers already excluded, if there were any.

As for the last post, since it is DS, no need for calculations. in fact quite few DS`s have unrealistic answers, if you try to solve them.

In principle, I did the same thing that Juaz did (at least I think I did). but his worked. why didn't the above?

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ggarr wrote:
IrinaOK wrote:
ggarr wrote:
I think the question is fine. we should just be relying on the info given. I won't lie, some of these probs get me too.

back to the orig prob. I was toying around w/this a bit and don't understand why this approach won't work (admittedly, Juaz's is much cleaner and quicker). Can anyone tell me why?
Quote:
Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.


1) t = 4/3.2

2)

1st leg:
rt = 2
t = 2/r

2nd leg:
r(t+15) = 2
rt + 15r = 2--------------> t=(2-15r)/r
t = 2 - 15r/r

2 - 15r/r + 2/r = 4/3.2 =

4-15r/r = 4/3.2

I tried solving for r and kept coming up empty. what gives???


I understand now why stopovers do not count, cuz the stem says "It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles." which means stopovers already excluded, if there were any.

As for the last post, since it is DS, no need for calculations. in fact quite few DS`s have unrealistic answers, if you try to solve them.

In principle, I did the same thing that Juaz did (at least I think I did). but his worked. why didn't the above?


yep, it is just miscalculation. Look at the text in red.

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Susan drove at an average speed of 30 miles per hour for the first 30 miles of a trip and then at an average speed of 60 miles per hour for the remaining 30 miles of the trip. If she made no stops during the trip, what was Susan's average speed, in miles per hour, for the entire trip?



There is a reason for them to STATE
"If she made no stops during the trip,", right?

I really find it confusing. Could it be that they made a mistake, a typo, if you will, in writing the answer key to the DS item above (choice C)?

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IrinaOK wrote:
ggarr wrote:
IrinaOK wrote:
ggarr wrote:
I think the question is fine. we should just be relying on the info given. I won't lie, some of these probs get me too.

back to the orig prob. I was toying around w/this a bit and don't understand why this approach won't work (admittedly, Juaz's is much cleaner and quicker). Can anyone tell me why?
Quote:
Jane walked for 4 miles. What was her average speed for the first 2 miles?

1. Janes average speed for the 4 miles was 3.2 miles per hour.
2. It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles.


1) t = 4/3.2

2)

1st leg:
rt = 2
t = 2/r

2nd leg:
r(t+15) = 2
rt + 15r = 2--------------> t=(2-15r)/r
t = 2 - 15r/r

2 - 15r/r + 2/r = 4/3.2 =

4-15r/r = 4/3.2

I tried solving for r and kept coming up empty. what gives???


I understand now why stopovers do not count, cuz the stem says "It took Jane 15 minutes longer to walk the second 2 miles than it took her to walk the first 2 miles." which means stopovers already excluded, if there were any.

As for the last post, since it is DS, no need for calculations. in fact quite few DS`s have unrealistic answers, if you try to solve them.

In principle, I did the same thing that Juaz did (at least I think I did). but his worked. why didn't the above?


yep, it is just miscalculation. Look at the text in red.

IrinaOK,

please look at my text below your first edit. isn't that the same as what you did? t = 2 - 15r/r

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The speed for the first 2 miles?

Statement I

speed =3.2
distance = 4
time=4/3.2
Insufficient, tells us nothing about the first 2 miles or last 2 miles.


Statement II

if time taken for first 2 mile = x
then, time taken for last 2 miles = x+15
we dont know anything about speed, therefore insufficent.

Statement I & II

(4/3.2)*60 = x+x+15

x=12.5

d=2 miles
time = 12.5
speed = 2/12.5 miles/minute
Sufficient.

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For what it's worth, although this question is worded a bit more vaguely than most official GMAT questions, I've never seen an official DS question where the 'trick' was that they didn't mention a stopover that happened. That really isn't the kind of trick that the GMAT likes to play. That would make it more like a lateral thinking problem or a riddle, testing whether you suddenly realized what the missing piece was. Instead, the GMAT prefers reasoning problems, where if you follow the right process beginning to end, you'll end up on the right answer.
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