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Jim: The United States Mint has recently announced that the rising cost of raw copper, nickel, and zinc has pushed the cost of manufacturing each penny and nickel to more than 1 cent and 5 cents respectively. In addition, there are very few, if any, items that can be purchased for 5 cents, and virtually none that can be purchased for a penny. Since it appears that both the penny and the nickel no longer provide a necessary function in today’s economy, I propose that the government simply stop minting the coins at a loss and declare the base unit of U.S. currency to be the dime.

Mary: Don’t be silly. This would mean that all prices would round up to the nearest dime and nobody would go for that. There is simply no way that Congress would approve, much less consider, such an unpopular measure.

In her response to Jim, Mary does all of the following EXCEPT:

A) Makes an assumption about how Jim’s proposal would affect prices.

b) Implies that Congressional approval is necessary for Jim’s proposal to take effect.

c) Provides a reason why Jim’s proposal would be difficult to implement, regardless of its justification.

d) Assumes that Congress will never approve a policy that has little public support.

e) Attempts to undermine all or some of the premises upon which Jim justifies his proposal.


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At first glance I was tempted to pick answer C; however, when I read it more carefully I realized that she did provide support why it would be difficult to implement the strategy proposed by Jim. However, Mary doesn't attempt to prove any of Jim's premises (too expensive to manufacture pennies & nickles, nothing is priced at a penny/nickel...) wrong; therefore, E it is.

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At first glance I was tempted to pick answer C; however, when I read it more carefully I realized that she did provide support why it would be difficult to implement the strategy proposed by Jim. However, Mary doesn't attempt to prove any of Jim's premises (too expensive to manufacture pennies & nickles, nothing is priced at a penny/nickel...) wrong; therefore, E it is.


Me too, I was between C and E but choce C because choice E said that she undermines some or all, and she did in fact undermine some of Jim's assumptions or did she not?

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At first glance I was tempted to pick answer C; however, when I read it more carefully I realized that she did provide support why it would be difficult to implement the strategy proposed by Jim. However, Mary doesn't attempt to prove any of Jim's premises (too expensive to manufacture pennies & nickles, nothing is priced at a penny/nickel...) wrong; therefore, E it is.


Me too, I was between C and E but choce C because choice E said that she undermines some or all, and she did in fact undermine some of Jim's assumptions or did she not?

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E it is because she does not undermine the premises Jon made which are the rising prices of zinc and nickel and so on. She then undermines Jon's conclusion.

Hope it's clear.

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Jim: premise 1. The United States Mint has recently announced that the rising cost of raw copper,nickel, and zinc has pushed the cost of manufacturing each penny and nickel to more than 1 cent and 5 cents respectively.
premise.2. In addition, there are very few, if any, items that can be purchased for 5 cents, and virtually none that can be purchased for a penny.
premise 3. It appears that both the penny and the nickel no longer provide a necessary function in today’s economy.

CONCLUSION...- I propose that the government simply stop minting the coins at a loss and declare the base unit of U.S. currency to be the dime.

Mary: PREMISE 1. This would mean that all prices would round up to the nearest dime and nobody would go for that.

PREMISE 2. There is simply no way that Congress would approve, much less consider, such an unpopular measure.
CONCLUSION- Don’t be silly.


In her response to Jim, Mary does all of the following EXCEPT:
A) Makes an assumption about how Jim’s proposal would affect prices.... NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 1...
b) Implies that Congressional approval is necessary for Jim’s proposal to take effect... NO..SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2...
c) Provides a reason why Jim’s proposal would be difficult to implement, regardless of its justification... NO.SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2[color=#ed1c24]
d) Assumes that Congress will never approve a policy that has little public support.....[color=#ed1c24]. NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2....

e) Attempts to undermine all or some of the premises upon which Jim justifies his proposal.... CORRECT ANSWER...NOWHERE HAS SHE QUESTIONED OR UNDERMINED JIM'S PREMISES( SEE ABOVE)....




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Jim: premise 1. The United States Mint has recently announced that the rising cost of raw copper,nickel, and zinc has pushed the cost of manufacturing each penny and nickel to more than 1 cent and 5 cents respectively.
premise.2. In addition, there are very few, if any, items that can be purchased for 5 cents, and virtually none that can be purchased for a penny.
premise 3. It appears that both the penny and the nickel no longer provide a necessary function in today’s economy.

CONCLUSION...- I propose that the government simply stop minting the coins at a loss and declare the base unit of U.S. currency to be the dime.

Mary: PREMISE 1. This would mean that all prices would round up to the nearest dime and nobody would go for that.

PREMISE 2. There is simply no way that Congress would approve, much less consider, such an unpopular measure.
CONCLUSION- Don’t be silly.


In her response to Jim, Mary does all of the following EXCEPT:
A) Makes an assumption about how Jim’s proposal would affect prices.... NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 1...
b) Implies that Congressional approval is necessary for Jim’s proposal to take effect... NO..SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2...
c) Provides a reason why Jim’s proposal would be difficult to implement, regardless of its justification... NO.SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2[color=#ed1c24]
d) Assumes that Congress will never approve a policy that has little public support.....[color=#ed1c24]. NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2....

e) Attempts to undermine all or some of the premises upon which Jim justifies his proposal.... CORRECT ANSWER...NOWHERE HAS SHE QUESTIONED OR UNDERMINED JIM'S PREMISES( SEE ABOVE)....




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On option C, the bit that I am still not convinced about is the word "difficult", Mary says Congress just "WON'T" approve it.
Hence it will not be "difficult" to implement but "impossible" to implement.

So Mary didn't suggest it will be difficult to implement

Though it can be argued that may be there is some other way to get a proposal approved, may be outside of congress which is much more difficult, but that is Out of scope discussion as the passage doesn't provide any such information.

PS: I am convinced that E is the correct but equally convinced with C as well based on above explanation.

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Jim: premise 1. The United States Mint has recently announced that the rising cost of raw copper,nickel, and zinc has pushed the cost of manufacturing each penny and nickel to more than 1 cent and 5 cents respectively.
premise.2. In addition, there are very few, if any, items that can be purchased for 5 cents, and virtually none that can be purchased for a penny.
premise 3. It appears that both the penny and the nickel no longer provide a necessary function in today’s economy.

CONCLUSION...- I propose that the government simply stop minting the coins at a loss and declare the base unit of U.S. currency to be the dime.

Mary: PREMISE 1. This would mean that all prices would round up to the nearest dime and nobody would go for that.

PREMISE 2. There is simply no way that Congress would approve, much less consider, such an unpopular measure.
CONCLUSION- Don’t be silly.


In her response to Jim, Mary does all of the following EXCEPT:
A) Makes an assumption about how Jim’s proposal would affect prices.... NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 1...
b) Implies that Congressional approval is necessary for Jim’s proposal to take effect... NO..SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2...
c) Provides a reason why Jim’s proposal would be difficult to implement, regardless of its justification... NO.SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2[color=#ed1c24]
d) Assumes that Congress will never approve a policy that has little public support.....[color=#ed1c24]. NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2....

e) Attempts to undermine all or some of the premises upon which Jim justifies his proposal.... CORRECT ANSWER...NOWHERE HAS SHE QUESTIONED OR UNDERMINED JIM'S PREMISES( SEE ABOVE)....




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On option C, the bit that I am still not convinced about is the word "difficult", Mary says Congress just "WON'T" approve it.
Hence it will not be "difficult" to implement but "impossible" to implement.

So Mary didn't suggest it will be difficult to implement

Though it can be argued that may be there is some other way to get a proposal approved, may be outside of congress which is much more difficult, but that is Out of scope discussion as the passage doesn't provide any such information.

PS: I am convinced that E is the correct answer but equally convinced with C as well based on above explanation.

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Jim: premise 1. The United States Mint has recently announced that the rising cost of raw copper,nickel, and zinc has pushed the cost of manufacturing each penny and nickel to more than 1 cent and 5 cents respectively.
premise.2. In addition, there are very few, if any, items that can be purchased for 5 cents, and virtually none that can be purchased for a penny.
premise 3. It appears that both the penny and the nickel no longer provide a necessary function in today’s economy.

CONCLUSION...- I propose that the government simply stop minting the coins at a loss and declare the base unit of U.S. currency to be the dime.

Mary: PREMISE 1. This would mean that all prices would round up to the nearest dime and nobody would go for that.

PREMISE 2. There is simply no way that Congress would approve, much less consider, such an unpopular measure.
CONCLUSION- Don’t be silly.


In her response to Jim, Mary does all of the following EXCEPT:
A) Makes an assumption about how Jim’s proposal would affect prices.... NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 1...
b) Implies that Congressional approval is necessary for Jim’s proposal to take effect... NO..SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2...
c) Provides a reason why Jim’s proposal would be difficult to implement, regardless of its justification... NO.SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2[color=#ed1c24]
d) Assumes that Congress will never approve a policy that has little public support.....[color=#ed1c24]. NO...SHE DOES THIS...SEE MARY'S PREMISE 2....

e) Attempts to undermine all or some of the premises upon which Jim justifies his proposal.... CORRECT ANSWER...NOWHERE HAS SHE QUESTIONED OR UNDERMINED JIM'S PREMISES( SEE ABOVE)....




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On option C, the bit that I am still not convinced about is the word "difficult", Mary says Congress just "WON'T" approve it.
Hence it will not be "difficult" to implement but "impossible" to implement.

So Mary didn't suggest it will be difficult to implement

Though it can be argued that may be there is some other way to get a proposal approved, may be outside of congress which is much more difficult, but that is Out of scope discussion as the passage doesn't provide any such information.

PS: I am convinced that E is the correct answer but equally convinced with C as well based on above explanation.

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Well in Mary's response one word to watch out is that she says 'the nearest dime and nobody would go for that.'
So she is not refuting his argument saying 'It's impossible to implement' but stating that by nobody going for it would imply that the idea if implemented would face hurdles.
I get why you were stuck on C, but the key there is difficult, she never says it's not possible. There is a world of difference in that case.
Also, in CR questions you are never going to get the perfect answer but more like the closest answer. Between C and E clearly E is the closest of the lot.

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While it takes me 2 min to guess that E is the answer, I only go surely for E after 3 min.

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Imo E
She does not undermine any premise Jim .Rather she uses her own reasoning for the proposal .
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Jim: The United States Mint has recently announced that it costs more to manufacture a penny or a nickel than the face value of each coin. In addition, there are very few items that can be purchased for a nickel, and virtually none that can be purchased for a penny. Since both the penny and the nickel no longer provide a necessary function in today’s economy, I propose that the government eliminate them and declare the base unit of U.S. currency to be the dime.

Mary: Don’t be silly. This would mean that all prices would round up to the nearest dime–nobody would want that. Congress would never approve, much less consider, such an unpopular measure.

In her response to Jim, Mary does all of the following EXCEPT
A. makes an assumption about the possible negative consequences of Jim's proposal
B. implies that a particular regulatory path is necessary to implement Jim's proposal
C. provides a reason why Jim’s proposal would be difficult to implement, regardless of its potential benefits
D. assumes that Congress would consider the monetary benefits less important than public opinion of the proposal
E. attempts to undermine a premise upon which Jim bases his proposal

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the answer is e. Jim draws a conclusion based on a premise which is not weakened by mary's reply. mary attacks the conclusion by providing other facts and she doesn't deny the premise on which jim draws his conclusion.

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