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John had been married two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife.

A. two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife
B. two times before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
C. twice before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
D. two times before he met Jane, who would become wife number three
E. twice before he met Jane, who would become his third wife

Could anyone generally explain when we use past perfect? What is the difference in this case, would the question still be right in the past simple format: "John was married..."?
The answer itself is clear to me. Thanks.
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Hi Reto,

IMO in general "past perfect" is used for an event that happened and does not exist anymore in the present.

"simple past" shows that the event happened earlier but does not talk anything about its current state unless specifically mentioned elsewhere in the context of the sentence.

What you have asked is a good question with respect to this sentence..

daagh: Kindly help here.

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what is the difference between 'would become' and 'would later become'?
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I think "would later" is redundant word because would shows that the event will happen later. Mods, please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

Past perfect is used
1) There are two dependent events and we want to show the ordering of the events i.e. one event affects one way or not. In this case, if he had not met her, he would not have married her so the events affect each other. The meeting happened first and then the marriage so meeting is used in past perfect tense to show the ordering although not necessary since we are also using "before" to signify the ordering.
2) When the effects of event are still felt . For eg: The U.S. government had dropped the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima after the Pearl Harbor attack.
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A. two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife
B. two times before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
C. twice before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
D. two times before he met Jane, who would become wife number three
E. twice before he met Jane, who would become his third wife

Answer is E, which is most concise.

A, B and D are easily eliminated because of redundancy (we do not use "two times" when we can use "twice"). C is redundant because of the word "later". We already have the word "before" which describes the time, so no need for placing "later" in the second part of the sentence.
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John had been married two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife.

A. two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife
B. two times before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
C. twice before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
D. two times before he met Jane, who would become wife number three
E. twice before he met Jane, who would become his third wife

Could anyone generally explain when we use past perfect? What is the difference in this case, would the question still be right in the past simple format: "John was married..."?
The answer itself is clear to me. Thanks.


"Perfect' tenses are used to denote proper verb sequencing, ie to show what action was performed before.

There is a minor deviation from this rule. When the sequencing is clear by using words such as since or before or after, simple past is also correct. The words before/after/since clearly show the sequencing. So the use of either past perfect or simple present is correct. But for sentences that do not have these words, you must use past perfect only for proper verb sequencing.
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i got stuck between A and E
seems both perfect to me..chose E because it is more concise.
anyone to explain why two times < twice?
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A, B and D can be eliminated because the usage of 'twice' is better and concise in the given context.

E can be eliminated because 'would' reflects future tense and 'would later' is redundant.

Answer: C
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This question does not seem super reflective of what you would see on the GMAT.

The past perfect appears in the sentence (past perfect is used to show the earlier of two past events or to place an event before a time marker in the sentence), but the past perfect isn't tested at all - it's in the non-underlined portion of the sentence and aren't any variations in the choices that leverage the past perfect at all.

The only variations in the choices are related to concision (twice v two times and later), which isn't really a tested element like it used to be. Meaning has become a much bigger issue, but both of these variations don't really negatively affect meaning. Saying two times instead of twice is more concise and more commonly used, but it doesn't lead to improper meaning. The addition of later is unnecessary but doesn't lead to improper meaning either. So, E is the correct answer, but there are certainly better questions to study...

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KyleWiddison wrote:
This question does not seem super reflective of what you would see on the GMAT.

The past perfect appears in the sentence (past perfect is used to show the earlier of two past events or to place an event before a time marker in the sentence), but the past perfect isn't tested at all - it's in the non-underlined portion of the sentence and aren't any variations in the choices that leverage the past perfect at all.

The only variations in the choices are related to concision (twice v two times and later), which isn't really a tested element like it used to be. Meaning has become a much bigger issue, but both of these variations don't really negatively affect meaning. Saying two times instead of twice is more concise and more commonly used, but it doesn't lead to improper meaning. The addition of later is unnecessary but doesn't lead to improper meaning either. So, E is the correct answer, but there are certainly better questions to study...

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Hi Kyle, did you mean saying 'twice' rather than 'two times' is more concise? Is there any good reason why E is a better answer choice than A?
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reto wrote:
John had been married two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife.

A. two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife
B. two times before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
C. twice before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
D. two times before he met Jane, who would become wife number three
E. twice before he met Jane, who would become his third wife

Could anyone generally explain when we use past perfect? What is the difference in this case, would the question still be right in the past simple format: "John was married..."?
The answer itself is clear to me. Thanks.


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I got the answer right, but can someone explain me why should we use "twice" and not "two times"?
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John had been married two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife.

A. two times before he met Jane, who would become his third wife
B. two times before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
C. twice before he met Jane, who would later become his third wife
D. two times before he met Jane, who would become wife number three
E. twice before he met Jane, who would become his third wife

Could anyone generally explain when we use past perfect? What is the difference in this case, would the question still be right in the past simple format: "John was married..."?
The answer itself is clear to me. Thanks.


Hi

I got the answer right, but can someone explain me why should we use "twice" and not "two times"?


Hi,

As very well explained by Kyle here :https://gmatclub.com/forum/john-had-been-married-two-times-before-he-met-jane-who-would-become-h-203814.html#p1666479 ,

this question is not a GMAT Like question. So, remember only one thing "twice is preferred over two times" because twice is short and concise.

There is no other reason for rejecting A over E. :)
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Why twice instead of two times? can anyone please explain?
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Why twice instead of two times? can anyone please explain?


Please read the explanation given here:

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Why twice instead of two times? can anyone please explain?


One time / two times / three times are used coloquially - for formal writing use once/ twice/ thrice. (But thereater use x times, e.g. four times, five times etc.)
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