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# John was only one of the boys whom as you know was not

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John was only one of the boys whom as you know was not eligible.

a)whom as you know was
b)who as you know were
c)whom as you know were
d)who as you know was
e)who as you know is

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11 Mar 2004, 16:37
D looks fine. The sentence can be rewritten as

Only one of the boys, John as you know was not eligible

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11 Mar 2004, 18:21
Twinkle wrote:
John was only one of the boys whom as you know was not eligible.

a)whom as you know was
b)who as you know were
c)whom as you know were
d)who as you know was
e)who as you know is

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I seem to have a different answer that these guys.

was and were are both past simple tenses.

Obviously, "was" is used if the subject is singular and "were" is used if the subject is plural.

ok, so here is a standard construct.

one of the NOUN (this noun will always be plural) + that/who + PLURAL VERB

if i use this rule here, IMO, the answer is B.

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11 Mar 2004, 18:40
Hi Praetorian,

According to B what is so special about the one and only Boy then?

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11 Mar 2004, 19:06
Hi,

I believe B does not convey the meaning clearly. The original sentence stresses something about John. According to B all were inelligible. Then what is that sentence trying to convey by talking about John.

I do know the rule about
"one of + plural(most likely) + that/who + plural verb"
But I do believe there can be exceptions.

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11 Mar 2004, 19:46
As usual I'm differing from the crowd.

I choose A.

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11 Mar 2004, 19:55
I agree with praetorian123 that 'one of the <plural>' should have a plural verb following this construction. Ans in my opinion is B. kpadma - whom in A cannot be right as John is the subject.

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11 Mar 2004, 20:29
The subject here is 'boys' and thus it should have 'were'.

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11 Mar 2004, 21:56
I go for B too

Can this sentence be reconstucted without "one of the", hence without the pural subject and hence without the pural verb??

Just wondering....

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11 Mar 2004, 22:31
agree with anand. what is the sense of the word "only" then, if the answer is (b)? logical sense tells that (d) is right. there 20 eligible guys and "only" john is ineligible.

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12 Mar 2004, 03:31
praetorian123 wrote:
Twinkle wrote:
John was only one of the boys whom as you know was not eligible.

a)whom as you know was
b)who as you know were
c)whom as you know were
d)who as you know was
e)who as you know is

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I seem to have a different answer that these guys.

was and were are both past simple tenses.

Obviously, "was" is used if the subject is singular and "were" is used if the subject is plural.

ok, so here is a standard construct.

one of the NOUN (this noun will always be plural) + that/who + PLURAL VERB

if i use this rule here, IMO, the answer is B.

Thanks
Praetorian

If subject is considered here as BOYS, Pratorian is correct, Answer should be B.
Other way around, if "john" is a subject then "one of the boys" becomes modifier then "was" should correct.
Anyways, Good question Twinkle, keep posting

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12 Mar 2004, 09:55
I must say..Im humbled...I never thought that I would get this question wrong....darn..Praet how do you remember all these rules....!..Amazing..

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12 Mar 2004, 10:01
I would like to know the source of the question?

The answer may not be "B".

Refer the style guide for more details.
http://www.bartleby.com/64/pages/page23.html

So, Vivek don't worry.

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12 Mar 2004, 10:06
The answer is in the book and also confirmed from another site.

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12 Mar 2004, 10:15

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12 Mar 2004, 10:17
Twinkle wrote:
The answer is in the book and also confirmed from another site.

Following is the example taken from "The style guide"
http://www.bartleby.com/64/pages/page23.html

He is the only one of the students who has (not have) already taken Latin.

I think the book is wrong!

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12 Mar 2004, 11:41
Twinkle wrote:
The answer is in the book and also confirmed from another site.

Following is the example taken from "The style guide"
http://www.bartleby.com/64/pages/page23.html

He is the only one of the students who has (not have) already taken Latin.

I think the book is wrong!

wow, this thread has grown. guys, just took a break yesterday. could really keep myself from going out

Guys, time for another lesson and yes, the answer is still B

notice in kpadma's sentence, the determiner "the" introduces the subject " he". When you introduce a subject using a "determiner" , you have to use a singular verb to agree with the subject.

But in our example, the rule (in my post above) still applies.

ok now?

Good discussion, guys. keep me on my toes.

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12 Mar 2004, 12:02
praetorian123 wrote:
Guys, time for another lesson and yes, the answer is still B

notice in kpadma's sentence, the determiner "the" introduces the subject " he". When you introduce a subject using a "determiner" , you have to use a singular verb to agree with the subject.

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Good point!

Another day and another lesson learned!!

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12 Mar 2004, 12:02
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