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# Just as I am an idiot, you are an idiot. 2. Just like I

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1. Just as I am an idiot, you are an idiot.

2. Just like I am an idiot, you are an idiot.

Which one is correct and why?

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08 Apr 2006, 04:34
just as is the correct because

with "like" you need a noun or noun phrase
and
with "as" you need a clause

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08 Apr 2006, 07:06
sounds an explanation!

Just to add to what ipc302 said i think the clause should be independent (with as)

Today I was reading an article (just googling) and I found
"Camilla wears trousers just like we do"

In above sentence "we do" is still a clause" but independent.

So with as we need independent clause. Subordinate claused take "like". right? Please let me know.

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08 Apr 2006, 12:32
1. Just as I am an idiot, you are an idiot.

2. Just like I am an idiot, you are an idiot.

Which one is correct and why?

"Just as I am an idiot.." must be correct.
>>we are comparing verbs.

Just as I am an idiot, you are an idiot. or
Like me, you are an idiot.

>>and also, as far as I know, "like" is ok, but "just like" is not correct for GMAT.

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08 Apr 2006, 13:58
ipc302 wrote:
just as is the correct because

with "like" you need a noun or noun phrase
and
with "as" you need a clause

True, that is a correct description of when to use one or the other. But here comes my follow-up question: which one should be used in the below case and why not the other one?

The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish Sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis like / as a fortress.

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08 Apr 2006, 17:12
ipc302 wrote:
just as is the correct because

with "like" you need a noun or noun phrase
and
with "as" you need a clause

True, that is a correct description of when to use one or the other. But here comes my follow-up question: which one should be used in the below case and why not the other one?

The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish Sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis like / as a fortress.

Here the focus is on the action rather than the noun.

I guess it is "as"

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08 Apr 2006, 18:25
"As" would be the correct usage in your example. This is because we are focusing on the 'use' of the Arcopolis, not just the Acropolis itself.

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08 Apr 2006, 20:51
I think "like" would be correct in Matador's second example.
He used Acropolis like a fortress.

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10 Apr 2006, 03:28
used the Acropolis as a fortress. Like it was said before, emphasis is on the action. Thus 'as' is the right choice.

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10 Apr 2006, 13:47
The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish Sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis like / as a fortress.

"used Acropolis as fortress" sounds correct.

Well! I can't give explanation, grammatically dissecting parts of speech but "as" sounds correct.

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10 Apr 2006, 18:33
Sounds like a lot of you have gone thru The OG The example is from The OG.

True, the correct answer is used the Acropolis as a fortress because the correct expression is use...as and not use...like. At least for me, it is easier to remember the correct expression in this case than thinking that the "emphasis is on the action" whenever a similar example shows up.

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10 Apr 2006, 22:17
But, Like is used for comparing nouns and as for phrase. Right?

In this example, fortress and building are nouns.

I know "as" is right, but, from the definition, shouldnt it be "like"?

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12 Apr 2006, 12:47
cheti wrote:
But, Like is used for comparing nouns and as for phrase. Right?

In this example, fortress and building are nouns.

I know "as" is right, but, from the definition, shouldnt it be "like"?

Actually, it is not really comparing fortress to a building. I.e., it is not comparing nouns. This would be an example of comparing nouns:

Dogs don't scratch like cats often do...

[Notice that one would easily think that as should be used above, because a subordinate clause follows as; however, since it's comparing nouns, like is used.]

Anyway, getting back to building vs fortress, the key here is to remember that the correct expression in GMAT English is use...as.

Other than that, these are the general rules for as vs like:

Like is a preposition. It is used in the following two cases:
1) It introduces a phrase (a group of words without a subject or a verb).
2) It is used to compare nouns.

As works mostly as a conjunction (connecting word). It is used in the following two cases:
1) It introduces a subordinate clause (a group of words that contain a subject and a verb).
2) It is used to compare actions.

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12 Apr 2006, 21:15
cheti wrote:
But, Like is used for comparing nouns and as for phrase. Right?

In this example, fortress and building are nouns.

I know "as" is right, but, from the definition, shouldnt it be "like"?

Actually, it is not really comparing fortress to a building. I.e., it is not comparing nouns. This would be an example of comparing nouns:

Dogs don't scratch like cats often do...

[Notice that one would easily think that as should be used above, because a subordinate clause follows as; however, since it's comparing nouns, like is used.]

Anyway, getting back to building vs fortress, the key here is to remember that the correct expression in GMAT English is use...as.

Other than that, these are the general rules for as vs like:

Like is a preposition. It is used in the following two cases:
1) It introduces a phrase (a group of words without a subject or a verb).
2) It is used to compare nouns.

As works mostly as a conjunction (connecting word). It is used in the following two cases:
1) It introduces a subordinate clause (a group of words that contain a subject and a verb).
2) It is used to compare actions.

I strongly doubt the red part above.

In this sentence we are not comparing nouns, we are comparing actions, so we need to use "as" & not "like".

Dolphins can communicate as humans can -- Introduces action
Dolphins can communicate like humans -- Only noun

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14 Apr 2006, 18:18
vivek123, good point. I found it in an old Kaplan printout (hard copy) and thought it looked a little bit strange, but never gave it a second thought. Is there anyway to double-check this one?

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14 Apr 2006, 19:39
vivek123, good point. I found it in an old Kaplan printout (hard copy) and thought it looked a little bit strange, but never gave it a second thought. Is there anyway to double-check this one?

I learnt this from our club itself, some people have given nice explanation on this, such as these...
http://gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=23653
http://gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=27231
http://gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3450

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14 Apr 2006, 20:19
I stand corrected! That last link gives great info! According to the info there, it must be as and not like...

thanks m8

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14 Apr 2006, 20:24
Dogs don't scratch like cats often do...

"like" is wrong here cuz the comparision is between actions, so needs as. like compares nouns.

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14 Apr 2006, 21:01
I stand corrected! That last link gives great info! According to the info there, it must be as and not like...

thanks m8

I didn't get you which part in the link says that?

Anyway, to add to what professor said, in

"Dogs don't scratch like cats often do", "like" usage will be correct only if you omit "often do" form the sentence! Otherwise "as" is needed.

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Re: Just as I am an idiot, you are an idiot. 2. Just like I [#permalink]

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14 Jan 2012, 07:48
1. Just as I am an idiot, you are an idiot. CORRECT

2. Just like I am an idiot, you are an idiot. INCORRECT like should be followed by noun, pronoun or noun phrase ..however, here like is followed by a clause n therefore incorrect.
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