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Look at the latter part of the sentence - nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

This part should be parallel to the first part of the sentence.
Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art,

Hence C is the most suitable option
Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a

C has Correct parallel structure.

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Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the

Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a -Parallelism error
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a

OA - C
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Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the incorrect for multiple reasons

B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a who is unneccessary
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a correct idiom just as...so, maintains parallelism
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the incorrect idiom
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the meaning issue
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A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the -------compares a background with the nautical archaeologist; wrong
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a --- an archeologist, a person’ is compared with what the nautical archeologist needs – unparallel comparison.
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a --- correct comparison.
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the --- so is redundant
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the -- ‘evaluation’, an action is compared with a person; wrong.
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Hi,

In a similar usage of just like, I have a confusion on below sentence:

1. researchers have shown that Neanderthals walked upright just like modern humans

are we comparing the clause 'Neanderthals walked'' where 'walked' is an action verb and not a static verb.

Is the usage correct here?

Yes.
"(Just) like xxx" sets up a comparison between the noun "xxx" and the preceding subject. This construction can work for any subject + verb, as long as the intended meaning is that the preceding verb/action applies to both "xxx" and the preceding subject.

In other words,
Yyy does zzz, (just) like xxx —OR— (Just) like xxx, yyy does zzz
means that "yyy" does "zzz" AND that "xxx" ALSO does "zzz".

This usage isn't affected by whether the verb part (which I've written here as "does zzz") is an action or a state. E.g., the above idea can be written either way:
Neanderthals walked upright just like modern humans.
Neanderthals were bipedal like modern humans.

My main complaint about this sentence is that it's a comparison between two observations in different timeframes, so, ideally, it should be written with two verbs in different, individually appropriate tenses—which in turn requires us to replace "like" with "as", since we're now writing a comparison of two whole clauses:
Neanderthals walked upright just as modern humans do.
Neanderthals were bipedal, as are modern humans.
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How about D? I thought "Like" is used to describe a noun.
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Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

First look: idiom(just as, so), parallelism, like versus as

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the Wrong - "just like" is not an idiom; "like" as a preposition carries nouns follow (never clauses); verb tense "needed is not parallel with "needs"; "so" needed to complete idiom ("just as, so")

B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a Wrong - "Just as" in first clause must have "so" in second clause; relative pronoun "who" is not parallel with second clause

C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a Correct

D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the Wrong - "like" and "so" are not idiomatic; "like" as a preposition carries nouns follow (never clauses); "who" is not parallel with second clause

E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the Wrong - clauses are not parallel, so the idiom (as x, so y) does not work

IMO C
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Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the --- Passive
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a --- ambiguous pronoun
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a --- Correct use of Idiom
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the -- incorrect idiom
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the -- incorrect idiom

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1. He had often been ill like a child

I think what you mean here is that kids get sick quite often, and so getting sick OFTEN is what's "childlike"? If so, then it's better to write the sentence with a comma: He has often been ill, like a child. ...or, with perhaps even more clarity, He has been ill often, like a child.

The problem with NOT using a comma is that the default interpretation assigns the modifier to the closest and smallest available phrase (as is the case for other no-comma modifiers).
In your original sentence, that would just be "been ill". I.e., the way you originally wrote this sentence, it would be understood by default to mean "Quite often, he has been sick like a child"... whatever that means! At very best it's ambiguous.

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2. the student worked as a sketch artist ( 'as' because it describes a role. 'like' can not be used here)

100% correct.

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3. Coal burning released as much radioactivity like the three-mile island accident

so, here, you'd write "as much radioactivity as..."
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I thought C and then checked spoiler

Problem with B - First , there is no need for Who
Second , there should be a comma before "Who"
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I3igDmsu wrote:
Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the

I thought B, but the OE is C

C has correct idiom just as... so

E would have been more apt because it avoids just, since just is always wordy, but it breaks parallelism
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Please check the word "evaluates" in D, changes the meaning intended.
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A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the

As we can see the BOLD letters mismatch with their BOLD mates, option (C) has the best usage of "just as...so"
needs a background is placed paralleled with needs specialized .
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NikhilST wrote:
ChrisLele wrote:
Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the

The passive construction, 'needed by...' is wordy.

B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a

We do not want to use the relative pronoun 'who', which in this case, limits the scope of archaeologists. We want to make sure that we are comparing 'archaeologist needs' to 'nautical archaeologist needs', thereby maintaining parallelism.

C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a

The proper idiomatic construction, 'just as...so' is combined with the proper parallelism: 'archaeologist needs'...'nautical archaeologist needs'. The Answer

D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the

Improper idiomatic construction.

E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the

Improper idiomatic construction.

Hello Chris

I understand why the option C is the correct choice, but for better conceptual understanding, could you please elaborate on how 'who' acts as a limiter?
By limiting, do you mean that an archaeologist (in general terms) is being limited to an archaeologist (with a art history background only)?
I ask so because what I just mentioned above does not make complete sense to me when I try to comprehend the sentence in such way.

NikhilST
Take a look at the non-underlined part. It says -
'nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.' From structure point of view it is like
Noun + Verb + Object1 + Infinitive Verb + Object 2

As we can see that we are comparing two things, most likely the verb clause, we must have the two comparable elements in similar structure and voice. Also idiom used is 'Just as X, so Y.
Note that there is no limiting modifier here in Y element(nautical ... shipwrecks). So we don't need one.
And from meaning point of view we are comparing the archaeologist and nautical engineers in general. Using 'who' restricts the scope of generality i.e. it is not a generic comparison anymore. Using 'who' makes use of an essential modifier in X which is unnecessary as no such essential modifier is there in Y.

HTH.
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... Is the usage correct? ...

1. He had often been ill like a child

2. the student worked as a sketch artist ( 'as' because it describes a role. 'like' can not be used here)

3. Coal burning released as much radioactivity like the three-mile island accident

Sentence 1: What you are trying to say is not clear. If you mean that he had often been ill when he was a child, then the usage is incorrect.

Sentence 2: correct

Sentence 3: Wrong idiom
The proper phrasing is as much as. The sentence should be 'Coal burning released as much radioactivity as the three-mile island accident (did/had done).'

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Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

This question boils down to correct idiom and proper placement of modifier to make parallel comparison
First of all back ground in art history cannot be compared with archeologist. Archeologist should be compared with archaeologist.
Secondly the correct idiom is Just as X, So Y
With this knowledge, the correct answer can be vetted in less than 10 seconds.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the
Wrong:- background in art is compared with archeologist. Wrong idiom.

B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a:- missing "SO"
WRONG:- wrong idiom. Just as needs "so" to make it idiomatic.

C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a
CORRECT:- right comparison between archeologist and archeologist. Correct idiom Just asX, So y

D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history,so the
WRONG:- Incorrect Idiom

E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the
WRONG:- "find of ancient art" is being compared with "archeologist"

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Just like the background in art history need by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the nautical archaeologist needs specialized knowledge of the history of ship design in order to understand shipwrecks.

A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the

I thought B, but the OE is C
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Thanks. Wonderful explanation.
Cleared the dilemma between B and C completely.

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A) Just like the background in art history needed by an archaeologist in order to evaluate finds of ancient art, the -------compares a background with the nautical archaeologist; wrong
B) Just as an archaeologist who needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, a --- an archeologist, a person’ is compared with what the nautical archeologist needs – unparallel comparison.
C) Just as an archaeologist needs a background in art history to evaluate finds of ancient art, so a --- correct comparison.
D) Like the archaeologist who evaluates finds of ancient art and requires a background in art history, so the --- so is redundant
E) As evaluating finds of ancient art requires an archaeologist who has the background in art history, so the -- ‘evaluation’, an action is compared with a person; wrong.
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