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# KRoll background check

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01 Jul 2011, 13:26
osbornecox wrote:
Hi, I thought I should chime in here.

Kroll is divided into various divisions and they each manage differing levels of what can broadly be described as "investigations." They range from background checks for entry-level hires at corporations, to client on-boarding reviews (done by compliance officers) at multinationals, to very tailored special-situation investigations where their staff are hired out at very high rates (big law/MC rates, something like $800 an hour). Business schools want to make sure they haven't admitted a fraud. Outright frauds are not terribly difficult to uncover when you've committed to cooperating fully with the process (ie. you agree to disclose information and authorize Kroll to carry out checks) and that's what schools are looking out for. Picture yourself as the admissions officer, and picture what kind of violation or contradiction would make them seriously question their decision to admit you. Don't worry unless you have something as serious as that (ie. your recommender doesn't exist, your company of 25 staff that you founded doesn't exist, etc). what about missing information? say you did not report a masters program enrollment or something... don't think Kroll could find it. although, how would a school respond to that? imagine the rest of the app. is 100% correct and you just did not report one masters which you had for completely irrelevant reasons- I have seen instances (not in the US) where people do this for military or earning state grants etc. wonder if a top school takes action against some enrolled student for something like that- Retired Thread Master Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 486 GMAT 1: 680 Q44 V38 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 60 [0], given: 123 Re: KRoll background check [#permalink] ### Show Tags 07 Jul 2011, 11:47 I have job exp. in a nonprofit organization in a developing country. We didn't even have a website. How are they going to perform a background check? I also don't want my employer to know I am leaving. I just don't have the courage to do tell them that, bec they might fire me on the spot. I am the Executive Assistant of the CEO here, and I told my boss I will just go to night school Director Affiliations: HBS Class of 2013 Joined: 16 Dec 2010 Posts: 725 Location: United States (CA) Followers: 25 Kudos [?]: 140 [0], given: 5 Re: KRoll background check [#permalink] ### Show Tags 07 Jul 2011, 12:19 gablaze23 wrote: I have job exp. in a nonprofit organization in a developing country. We didn't even have a website. How are they going to perform a background check? I also don't want my employer to know I am leaving. I just don't have the courage to do tell them that, bec they might fire me on the spot. I am the Executive Assistant of the CEO here, and I told my boss I will just go to night school Well, aside from any ethical implications of lying to your boss you don't have to worry. Schools don't waste the time/money on the Kroll check until after you're already admitted, so no one at your company will know that you've applied until you've accepted an admissions offer somewhere. Once you're admitted you don't really have much to worry about other than trying not to burn bridges with your company. Don't worry about them finding the information on your nonprofit--if they can't find what they need, they'll ask you for assistance in contacting someone to confirm your employment there. _________________ http://www.militarytobusiness.com/ Admissions Consulting for Veterans, by Veterans Senior Manager Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 488 Concentration: Strategy, Economics Schools: Chicago (Booth) - Class of 2014 Followers: 14 Kudos [?]: 79 [0], given: 27 Re: KRoll background check [#permalink] ### Show Tags 28 Aug 2011, 07:46 Maybe someone can chime in. I'm an entrepreneur and here's my concern: I launched a startup in college and ran it full-time for about 4 months post college. At that time I didn't have enough money coming in so I jumped at the opportunity to take on a full-time job and make my startup more of a side project. It's 2 years later and I'm still at the same full-time job and still running my startup on the side. So here's where it gets tricky. All of my applications ask how many years of WE I'll have upon enrollment. My first 4 months of full-time WE post college were with my startup but I'm afraid to count these months because I cannot think of any way to verify this as full-time work. I was loosing money, I don't have any check stubs, and we didn't incorporate until early last year. I really can't think of any way to prove I was working full-time until I switched over to the other job 4 months out of undergrad and started getting a weekly paycheck. So I'm tempted to leave out those 4 months of WE on my application so that I don't get in a rough spot with Kroll later on down the road. But at the same time, I have an additional 4 months of legitimate WE that I'd really like to list on the application--at the very least this will push me closer to these schools' WE years mean. Does anyone have advice? _________________ Manager Joined: 27 Oct 2010 Posts: 91 Concentration: Finance, General Management Schools: Wharton - Class of 2014 GPA: 3.91 Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 16 [0], given: 10 Re: KRoll background check [#permalink] ### Show Tags 30 Sep 2011, 15:38 I would just include those 4 months in your work experience if you think it will add value to your application. You can always explain it in the optional essay, job description/duties section of the application, or just wait and see if it gets flagged in a background check. I can't imagine that adcoms wouldn't be understanding about that... MDF wrote: Maybe someone can chime in. I'm an entrepreneur and here's my concern: I launched a startup in college and ran it full-time for about 4 months post college. At that time I didn't have enough money coming in so I jumped at the opportunity to take on a full-time job and make my startup more of a side project. It's 2 years later and I'm still at the same full-time job and still running my startup on the side. So here's where it gets tricky. All of my applications ask how many years of WE I'll have upon enrollment. My first 4 months of full-time WE post college were with my startup but I'm afraid to count these months because I cannot think of any way to verify this as full-time work. I was loosing money, I don't have any check stubs, and we didn't incorporate until early last year. I really can't think of any way to prove I was working full-time until I switched over to the other job 4 months out of undergrad and started getting a weekly paycheck. So I'm tempted to leave out those 4 months of WE on my application so that I don't get in a rough spot with Kroll later on down the road. But at the same time, I have an additional 4 months of legitimate WE that I'd really like to list on the application--at the very least this will push me closer to these schools' WE years mean. Does anyone have advice? Intern Joined: 24 Oct 2011 Posts: 1 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: KRoll background check [#permalink] ### Show Tags 24 Oct 2011, 08:05 VinceCPA wrote: I talked with the assistant director of admissions at Fuqua regarding the Kroll background check. Of course I didn't come out and just straight ask her, but mentioned all the little things I still needed to do now that the school has admitted me into the program. She said that the background check is very basic, at least in Fuqua's case. So Kroll will check your current work, your education history, any licenses/professional designations, one recommender, public records, credit history, and current salary (through contact with your company). Kroll will ask for the contact details to make these checks, your personal details so they can check your credit details, and your consent. The conversation with your company should literally take a couple minutes and just confirm what you’ve already reported. Finally, they charge you about$100 for the check. She pretty much came out and said it really was no big deal (almost exactly what she said).

When you get down to it, for the small price you are paying, how much of a check do you really think they will do? They aren’t likely to sic some investigative guru on your one little case when they have countless thousands to process. So unless you lied outright on your application, it's all good.

For Duke what else do they check?
Do they check Extra Curricular, Awards, Base Pay, Bonus?
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02 Nov 2011, 12:57
The check is about as basic as it gets. You get an email with a link. From that link, you fill out some information as well as consent for them to do the background check. They will check the particulars like credit history, call your HR, and also might call the people that recommended you. As I said before, it really isn't that big a deal. They do generally talk with your work so yes, they will check your pay/bonus and such as you already gave them permission to do so when you filled out the form. Unless you outright lied on your form, I don't see the big deal about the background check.

Good luck with everything. It really is an awesome school and I love the Duke MBA program.
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23 Dec 2011, 14:22

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10 Jan 2012, 10:26
Two questions:

1 - When do these background checks take place? When you get admitted? Or only once you decide to matriculate/ pay your deposit?

2 - Two of the 3 employers on my resume have gone belly up, so… no HR department to call and verity info (and also I had to estimate/ make an educated guess in some sections of my application because I had nobody to verify them with). Should I be concerned? How will they go about checking this stuff?
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10 Jan 2012, 10:33
scielle wrote:
Two questions:

1 - When do these background checks take place? When you get admitted? Or only once you decide to matriculate/ pay your deposit?

2 - Two of the 3 employers on my resume have gone belly up, so… no HR department to call and verity info (and also I had to estimate/ make an educated guess in some sections of my application because I had nobody to verify them with). Should I be concerned? How will they go about checking this stuff?

The background for Fuqua happens once you are admitted. So if you pay a deposit and they then find out you lied through the background check, you're out your deposit. Them's the breaks.

The fact that two companies went bust shouldn't be the end of the world. The analysts running the checks understand that in the current climate, such things happen. As long as you are open and up-front on this, there shouldn't be an issue. Just answer their questions, fill everything out that they ask for, and they'll take it from there. If they have questions they'll call you. The fact that you estimated things are a bit more iffy but you have an explanation for it. Unless you made some crazy claims or made up stories, you should be able to explain it to the analysts in case they ask.
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10 Jan 2012, 12:26
so what if you have a very pure performance driven income stream -- trading for me or sales for other people -- and you may not necessarily have a salary? since i have a WIDE standard deviation in my income as a trader i went ahead and put my 'salary' (we dont have actual salary at work) as a stable number i was able to pull in year after year and what i budgeted my yearly expenses off of and then had an upward sloping 'bonus' -- becaus i thought putting a massive number for 08 when i began and then a smaller number for the past couple years would look odd haha. also if your firm has a flat structre and isnt big on titles but your experience/activiies through mentoring add up to a senior role and your supervisor gave you the 'OK' for that title (despite not having official titles), that is going to be fine as long as they can confirm that with your supervisor?
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10 Jan 2012, 12:40
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so what if you have a very pure performance driven income stream -- trading for me or sales for other people -- and you may not necessarily have a salary? since i have a WIDE standard deviation in my income as a trader i went ahead and put my 'salary' (we dont have actual salary at work) as a stable number i was able to pull in year after year and what i budgeted my yearly expenses off of and then had an upward sloping 'bonus' -- becaus i thought putting a massive number for 08 when i began and then a smaller number for the past couple years would look odd haha. also if your firm has a flat structre and isnt big on titles but your experience/activiies through mentoring add up to a senior role and your supervisor gave you the 'OK' for that title (despite not having official titles), that is going to be fine as long as they can confirm that with your supervisor?

I assume that we provide a phone number/contact point at your company for Kroll to use. That could be the HR department, or if you don' t have an HR department, someone that handles that type of work at your company. You'll probably just want to make sure that that person, as well as your supervisor and your recommenders, will confirm the title and salary you put on your apps.

I haven't gone through the check yet, so this is mainly speculation. But I'm in a similar position and this is my thinking.
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10 Jan 2012, 12:46
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shorttheworld wrote:
so what if you have a very pure performance driven income stream -- trading for me or sales for other people -- and you may not necessarily have a salary? since i have a WIDE standard deviation in my income as a trader i went ahead and put my 'salary' (we dont have actual salary at work) as a stable number i was able to pull in year after year and what i budgeted my yearly expenses off of and then had an upward sloping 'bonus' -- becaus i thought putting a massive number for 08 when i began and then a smaller number for the past couple years would look odd haha. also if your firm has a flat structre and isnt big on titles but your experience/activiies through mentoring add up to a senior role and your supervisor gave you the 'OK' for that title (despite not having official titles), that is going to be fine as long as they can confirm that with your supervisor?

I assume that we provide a phone number/contact point at your company for Kroll to use. That could be the HR department, or if you don' t have an HR department, someone that handles that type of work at your company. You'll probably just want to make sure that that person, as well as your supervisor and your recommenders, will confirm the title and salary you put on your apps.

I haven't gone through the check yet, so this is mainly speculation. But I'm in a similar position and this is my thinking.

yeah im gonna go ahead and give my supervisors contact info so that he can go ahead and verify everything and be all happy jolly . i have a buddy who said that smoothing out P&L type positions will be fine so im sure youd be fine too -- i saw you said youre an entrepreneur so if you were killing it pre-2008 and then suffered a bit afterwards and went ahead and verage things out you wont be hurt lol
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16 Jan 2012, 13:54
I have worked in consulting for several years, many times part-time and holding a second job. I was paid sometimes on a daily basis and other times as fee for service. Do schools also use the Kroll background check to find out if the applicant was employed full time? I will be clearer, on several occasions I worked in the US and abroad either as a translator, tutor or even waiter between consulting jobs. In putting together my application, could this be an issue if lets say I was not employed 40+ hours with the same company or if I spent several weeks between consultant contracts with the same firm? Thanks for helping answer these questions.
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22 Jan 2012, 09:36
They all do. With [url="http://www.findermind.com/free-people-search-engines/"]people search[/url] dime a dozen, they would be crazy not to. Not to mention they can't afford to admit anyone without a background check.

Hopefully, you don't have anything to hide.
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13 Feb 2012, 11:18
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13 Feb 2012, 16:41
I'm still sticking with my opinion from previous posts--if Kroll finds anything unusual they'll call you and give you a chance to clarify. You're not going to get rejected based on a small inconsistency. Unless you made a concerted effort to deceive the adcom on your application, you don't have anything to worry about.
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29 Mar 2012, 00:41
does highschool come into play? does it go that far back?
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29 Mar 2012, 01:32
I have an important question about the Kroll Verification process. My official job title according to HR records is an archaic, unused one, but retained for salary-level purposes. The job title I reported on my application form is the one that is the industry standard and is used within my team. Will this be a big issue for Kroll?

I have informed my boss and he says that it's ok, and that if asked he will mention the reason for the discrepancy.

Should I be very worried? Is this a reason for a school that has admitted me to rescind the offer? I have only one admit so far, and its for my dream school so im very anxious about this....

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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30 Mar 2012, 14:42
Has anyone had any experience with Re Vera for their \$100-type checks? I am planning to enrol to a school that requires this. On their briefing they mentioned they are going to check extracurriculars too. Question - how are they planning to verify my current participation if the European organisation (e.g. sports team, orchestra, small charity, church, mosque etc) does not have a website?
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