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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

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Correct answer is E. I chose D, and I don't quite understand why E is better than D.

The explanation offered says "the coordinating conjunction and gives undue emphasis to the claim that many of the people in Laos live in inaccessible places." Isn't this a fact in all answers?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

IMO :
- in E, many of whom is correctly referring to a group from 'population of 4 million people',

- 'many of whom' introduces subordinate/dependent clause. which is correct/in sync with the structure.

in D
- I didn't like the comparison of land area of X to Size of Y. Opinions?
- 'and many' introduces independent clause which doesn't seem to be parallel with the structure
Country C has X but (has implicit) Y, and (has doesn't go well here) z are ...


rashminet84 wrote:
The sentence begins as "Laos has........"

So it should be "laos has X and Y"

"Laos has ..... only four million in population..." If you eliminate the land area portion, you get this structure, which is wrong. E has it correctly as : "Laos has land and but a population of only ...."


I am confused whether "Country Y has only x million in population" is correct or not.
It seems fine to me!!
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The explanation offered says "the coordinating conjunction and gives undue emphasis to the claim that many of the people in Laos live in inaccessible places." Isn't this a fact in all answers?


I agree with OG explanation. Use of "and" here results in two separate clauses, whereas these are related clauses.

Consider the sentence:
Laos has....a population of only four million and many are members of hill...

Actually "many are members..." is modifying the "population of Laos". If we use "and" we'll end up in two independent clause.

Secondly, if we use "and" then the 2nd clause would need a subject as well, may be something like "many of whom....", which is missing in the options.
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anilnandyala wrote:
whats wrong with d

1. D compares "the land area" with "the size" while E compares "the land area" of Laos with "land area of Great Britain" by using "that of" to replace "land area"
2. Moreover D is awkward by using the construction "and many" which implies the paralel meaning while it should be the modifier of "four million in population" because these people actually are from this group.
3. In addtion, "four million in population" is not idiomatic. It should be "a population of only four million ..."
There are at least three reasons to eliminate D, i think
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Shall we look at it from a different angle?
A uses a wrong relative pronoun ‘where’ to modify population – reject
B, C, D compare land area with size, rather than another area. Reject all of them in single stroke.
E is left. E compares land area to another land area with the expression ‘that of’ – right choice
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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom


this is not easy one. it takes me a long time

"with a pupulation..." in D is prepostional phrase not a absolute phrase. identifying this role help understand the meaning. when "with a population..." is a prepotion, it must refers to a noun in the main clause. This case mean , "with population..." must refers to "many of them" . This is not logic and make D wrong.

in E, "and many" is not clear in meaning. E is wrong.
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"Land area" can mean two different things. It can mean the acreage, i.e. the number of acres, as in One MIT study claims that, in some U.S. cities, parking lots cover more than a third of the land area. It can also mean just some territory, not its size, as in Thunderstorms are well-monitored over land areas, where radar can keep an eye on their sometimes- quick development.

B and C mention the size of the land area; thus, they assume the second interpretation above. C then proceeds to use the expression "land area" in the first sense, i.e. size. Thus, C compares the size of one land area with another land area, which seems unnecessarily complicated. Now, B is more logical, yet B changes the meaning of the sentence! We can also say that the United States has a land area of about the same size as the entire Great Britain; for example, the State of Texas would qualify. A suggests that many people in Great Britain are members of hill tribes.

In D the non-idiomatic "but only four million in population" is offset by commas, which suggests that "many are members..." should make sense with the first part of the sentence: "Laos has a land area comparable to the size of Great Britain, and many are members..." Even if we rewrite the sentence to say "Laos has four million citizens, and many are members...", this still doesn't quite sound right because it is not specified, many of whom or of what. It would be better to say "Laos has four million citizens, many of whom are members..."

Basically, we are left with E. Note that "...to that of Great Britain..." makes it clear, in which sense the words "land area" are used. In this context Great Britain has one, the land area, which is a number, rather than a piece of land. The logic of the sentence still escapes me. I understand that Laos is sparsely populated, but why this detail about hill tribes? Is it saying that the mountain valleys are densely populated, thus even further lowering the population density at the accessible part of Laos?
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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many. Comparing land area with Great Britain
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many. Comparing land area with Great Britain
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them. After "But" prepositional phrase which is not parallel to preceding part of the sentence
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many. Comparing land area with size ofGreat Britain
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom. correct
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A and B incorrectly compare the land area to Great Britain. Eliminate A and B. The SC must compare apples to apples: it must compare either the two countries themselves (Laos and Britain) or the land area of one country to the land area of the other country.

D incorrectly compares land area to the size. Eliminate D.

C states that Laos has a land area...but many of them are members, incorrectly drawing a contrast between Laos (the country) and many (the people).

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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom


Both C and E are correct but E is concise...


I feel option C is incorrect
Option E -- Laos has a land area .. But [ Laos has ] a population - Ok

Option C -- Laos has a land area .. , But [ Laos has ] in Laos with a population of only four million people - NOK
So we can not put [ Laos has ] in option C . That means there should be a verb after but in option C as [ Laos has ] in not implicit .

Am I right?
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I feel option C is incorrect
Option E -- Laos has a land area .. But [ Laos has ] a population - Ok

Option C -- Laos has a land area .. , But [ Laos has ] in Laos with a population of only four million people - NOK
So we can not put [ Laos has ] in option C . That means there should be a verb after but in option C as [ Laos has ] in not implicit .

Am I right?


No that is not correct. You can't break C like that. In other words, you can't put "Laos has" after "but". "but" is a coordinating conjunction that so, it can obviously join to different things.

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Can you please help me with answer d ? Why exactly is e right and d wrong??

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Hi dp26389,
Thank you for the query. :)


Let’s first take a look at option D:

Laos has a land area comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population,
• and many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

ERRORS

1. This sentence illogically compares “a land area” to “the size of Great Britain”. As we know, the compared entities should be logically as well as grammatically parallel. So, we need to compare “land area” of one country to “land area” of another country.
2. The fact that most of the population of Laos lives in mountain valleys is mentioned as a modifier in the original sentence, and the main point of the sentence is to convey the contrast between the land sizes and populations of two countries. However, by using “comma + and” to connect the two clauses, this sentence makes the second clause “many are….” an independent clause, and hence attaches an undue importance to this fact.
3. This sentence has a fragment. Note that Comma + but indicates presence of an independent clause. However, 'but only four million in population' does not have the subject – verb pair. Ideally there should not be any comma prior to “but” for it to be grammatically correct sentence.
4. It's not clear what "many" refers to.


Now, let’s take a look at option E:

Laos has a land area comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people,
o many of whom are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

1. This choice has correct idiom comparing “the land area” of Laos to “that (= land area) of Great Britain”.
2. “a population of only four million” is parallel to “a land…”. Notice that “has” is understood before “a population…” to avoid repetition.
3. Relative pronoun “whom” is correct to refer to “people”.

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This is the way I looked at it:

Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many (should refer to people, so cannot use where)
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many (repeats the original error - 'and many are members' cannot refer to the population)
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them (cannot have an independent clause)
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many (repeats the error)
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom (correct - the pronoun clearly refers to the people)
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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom


A) Compare land area with Great Britain  Incorrect
B) Compare land area with Great Britain  Incorrect
C) In this sentence, Laos has 2 things: Laos has a land area … but (has) a population …. . However, “but only four million in population” is not parallel to land area.  Incorrect
D) Same as C. In addition, many should go with noun to make the meaning clear.  incorrect
E) Correct: land area of Laos is compared with that of Great Britain. “but a population of…” is parallel to “land area”
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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.
A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom

CHOICE A:
Incorrect:
The sentence has a few errors .“The land area of Laos” has been compared to “Great Britain”. These entities are logically not parallel to each other

CHOICE B:
Incorrect:
Verb “is” after “Great Britain” makes the comparison incorrect. Here, “land area” of Laos is compared to the “size of Great Britain” itself, and not its land size.
Also prepositional phrase “in Laos there is” makes the choice way too wordy.

CHOICE C
Incorrect:
This choice attaches undue importance to the fact that most of the population of Laos lives in mountain valleys. But actually, the sentence intends to establish the contrast that although Laos is as big as Great Britain, its population is just four million. Now, where the majority of this population lives is irrelevant to the contrast. This choice subdues the contrast and focuses on the location of the residents of Laos which is irrelevant.

CHOICE D
Incorrect:
Again, “the land area” of Laos is compared to “the size of Great Britain”.
Again “only four million…” is not parallel to “a land size…”.
This choice also attaches an undue importance to the fact that most the population of Laos lives in mountain valleys.

CHOICE E
Correct:
This choice has correct idiom comparing “the land area” of Laos to “that (= land area) of Great Britain”.
“a population of only four million” is parallel to “a land…”. Notice that “has” is understood before “a population…” to avoid repetition.
Relative pronoun “whom” is correct to refer to “people”.
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Hi,

I found the OG explanation quite incomprehensible for this question.

Option c : The reference of 'them' is unclear and the expression is generally awkward.

Option E: 'Whom' refers appropriately to people.

Well, I couldn't interpret the difference b/w these 2 pronoun, as per my opinion both of them refers the people. OG says this is only the difference b/w these choices. can anyone pls tell me how can we eliminate the option choices based on this fact in the exam. :(
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Hi Karan,

Thank you for posting your query here. :-)

Option C can also be eliminated because it does not make the comparison clear. This choice compares the land area of Laos with the size of Great Britain's land area. To be precise, the comparison should compare the land area of Laos with "that of Great Britain,": that is, with the land area of Great Britain.

I hope this helps!

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Hi,

Could you please clarify option C

laos has a land area that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them

Here we are comparing land area with land area .

But you have mentioned that we are comparing land area with land size. Please clarify this

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Isn't there ellipsis applicable for comparison in choice B


There is an error of ellipsis in choice B.

B mentions - Laos has a land area about of about the same size as Great Britain is

The missing link (the ellipsis) part over here is "land area". The sentence - Great Britain is land area - is non sensical and incorrect.

The usage "Great britain has" would have been correct (w.r.t ellipsis)

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dp26389 wrote:
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Can you please help me with answer d ? Why exactly is e right and d wrong??

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Hi dp26389,
Thank you for the query. :)


Let’s first take a look at option D:

Laos has a land area comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population,
• and many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

ERRORS

1. This sentence illogically compares “a land area” to “the size of Great Britain”. As we know, the compared entities should be logically as well as grammatically parallel. So, we need to compare “land area” of one country to “land area” of another country.
2. The fact that most of the population of Laos lives in mountain valleys is mentioned as a modifier in the original sentence, and the main point of the sentence is to convey the contrast between the land sizes and populations of two countries. However, by using “comma + and” to connect the two clauses, this sentence makes the second clause “many are….” an independent clause, and hence attaches an undue importance to this fact.
3. This sentence has a fragment. Note that Comma + but indicates presence of an independent clause. However, 'but only four million in population' does not have the subject – verb pair. Ideally there should not be any comma prior to “but” for it to be grammatically correct sentence.
4. It's not clear what "many" refers to.


Now, let’s take a look at option E:

Laos has a land area comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people,
o many of whom are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.

1. This choice has correct idiom comparing “the land area” of Laos to “that (= land area) of Great Britain”.
2. “a population of only four million” is parallel to “a land…”. Notice that “has” is understood before “a population…” to avoid repetition.
3. Relative pronoun “whom” is correct to refer to “people”.

Hope this helps! :)
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Also if we notice the usage of "as" in options A , B and C. As is followed by a noun(As+noun) which represents role not comparison.

Experts please validate.


Hi, I am not an expert. But I can tell you that the usage of "as" is not a problem.
[comparison "as" + noun] is not necessarily wrong. For example, I run as fast as you.
We can eliminate words after "as" as long as there is no amibiguity issue.
I eat more apples than you eat/do. --->correct.
I eat more apples than you. ---> no ambiguity issue.
Leopards eat more chiken than foxes. --->incorrect. the comparison is between 1) the amount of chicken eaten by leopards and the amount of chicken eaten by foxes
OR 2) the amount of chicken eaten by leopards and the amount of foxes eaten by leopards?
Leopards eat more chicken than they eat/do foxes. --->no ambiguity issue.
Leopards eat more chicken than foxes eat/do. --->no ambiguity issue.
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Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain vallyes of the north.

First we have to understand that this sentence has two lines: the size and the population. There is a slight contrast: large size but small population. The writer also provides some additional information about the size (as large as great britain) and population (living condition of its residents).

A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
*four million in population is an incorrect expression
*Laos has X but Y
X=a land area about the same...
Y=only four million in population
X and Y constitute an unparallel structure
*wrong comparison: what exactly of Laos' land area is about the same as great britain?
*the referent of "many" is unclear
*the antecedent of "where" is incorrect. literally "where" refers to population. but the use of "where" to modify "population" is incorrect because "where" clause can only modify a place. even if "where" refers to Laos, it distorts the intended meaning. the information about Laos' residents should be connected with population.


B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million, and many
*the construction of this version looks like:
Laos has X, but Y
X=a sentence about its size
Y=a sentence about its population
it seems okay, but you can tell that the contrast between size and population is not as obvious as the original version. if you substitute "and" with "but", you may find that the complete sentence looks just fine. that is not what we want.
*wrong comparison: Laos has a land area (that is) of about the same size as great britain is. we either compare land areas or compare Laos and great britain.
*phrasing "in Laos there is a population of...." is wordy.
*the connection between information of residents and population is broken because of the use of "and"
*referent of "many" is unclear


C) that is about the same size as Great Britain's land area, but in Laos with a population of only four million people, many of them
*comparison not good enough: this is a comparison between land area, but we can improve it by using "that of great britain", also the whole phrasing is not concise
*the same problem of construction as in (B)
*phrasing "in laos with a population..." is pretty awkward
*"them" refers to four million people, and the sentence goes like:
with a population of 4m people, many of the 4m people....--->ugly and makes no sense.


D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
*wrong comparison: land area vs. size of great britain
*unparallel and ungrammatical structure: laos has X, but Y
X=a land area
Y=only 4m in population
X and Y are not parallel
the insertion of a comma before "but" is incorrect
*the expression of 4m in population is wrong
*the referent of "many" is unclear
*the connection between residents and population is broken by "and"


E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of whom
correct
correct comparison, conciseness, correct parallelism
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