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If in C, protect was plural (protects). Would it have been correct? The OG answer says that "that require" is wordy and unnecessary, but that part sounds better to me. Again, assuming it didn't have the protect issue.

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hi all,
i know this sub-verb agreement question.
But however i fail to understand the how the Subject is compliance here.
My question will sound silly,but please help me identify the main subject and main verb

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If in C, protect was plural (protects). Would it have been correct? The OG answer says that "that require" is wordy and unnecessary, but that part sounds better to me. Again, assuming it didn't have the protect issue.


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hi all,
i know this sub-verb agreement question.
But however i fail to understand the how the Subject is compliance here.
My question will sound silly,but please help me identify the main subject and main verb


Hi namrata88 / brandon7 ,

Welcome to GMATClub :)

Here I go:

1st Query:

Yes, in that case C would have been correct. But note that there is no reason to reject option B as well. So, a typical GMAT question will never have two such options at the same time. Hence, rest assured about that. :)

2nd Query:


Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

The clause after 'saying that' is an independent clause.

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Now, look at the above sentence, if you remove the fluff, you will find something as follows:

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Can you see the subject now?

Compliance is the subject and is protecting is the verb.

Let me know in case of any concern. :)
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If in C, protect was plural (protects). Would it have been correct? The OG answer says that "that require" is wordy and unnecessary, but that part sounds better to me. Again, assuming it didn't have the protect issue.



Hello brandon7,

I will be glad to resolve your doubt. :-)

Choice C of this official sentence has only the subject verb number agreement error. While their compliance is a singular subject, protect is a plural verb.

Please note that protects is a singular verb that will agree in number with the singular subject their compliance.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi namrata88 / brandon7 ,

Welcome to GMATClub :)

Here I go:

1st Query:

Yes, in that case C would have been correct. But note that there is no reason to reject option B as well. So, a typical GMAT question will never have two such options at the same time. Hence, rest assured about that. :)

2nd Query:


Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

The clause after 'saying that' is an independent clause.

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Now, look at the above sentence, if you remove the fluff, you will find something as follows:

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Can you see the subject now?

Compliance is the subject and is protecting is the verb.

Let me know in case of any concern. :)


Hello abhimahna,


You have presented very crisp analyses here. Great job there.

However, I would just like to let you know that what follows saying that is not an independent clause. It is a dependent clause because the connector that always starts a dependent clause.

The connector that always associates with the clause that it starts. So essentially, after saying, we have a dependent clause that reads: that their compliance with laws... is protecting adult sea turtles.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Concept tested: SV agreement, Meaning.
Difficulty level: High
Illustration:
This question tests a very important aspect of meaning. First, we know
that the main verb in the underlined portion “protect” is wrong as the main
subject “compliance is singular. (Note that protect is not being used as a command
subjunctive in A. “be” is used as the command subjunctive).

According to this logic, A and C are wrong.
Now among B, D and E, “to require” indicates purpose of the law which is not the intended meaning
(please refer to the tip below). So, D and E are incorrect.
B is the correct answer.

Tip: “Laws to require” indicates purpose of the law, but “laws requiring indicates
contents of the law. While this might sound very obvious to natives, but non natives
might have to struggle to get this clearly. Consider the following examples.
1.Arms act is passed to discourage random public shootings. Correct
2.Arms act is passed to levy heavy fines on people who carry unlicensed
firearm. Wrong.

2 is wrong because the arms act is not issued to levy fines. It is issued to prevent
something by levying fines. So the correct option is B.





I am very thankful for this explanation... I was completely clueless about why D,E was rejected. I read so many posts but no one explained it so clearly as you did.
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Was stuck badly between A and B.
But earlier explanations helped me.

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Can someone explain why C is incorrect?
There is no Subject-Verb error and they agree in number.
protect.... modifies compliance properly
and the use of "that require" seems to be correct as well.

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In C, the singular 'compliance' cannot take the plural verb 'protect'
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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

A. requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect
B. requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect
D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting
E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting


Compliance is subject and it is singular. so A,D,C ruled out.
B,E => compliance to require is correct if it is ultimate goal of law.

Ultimate goal here is to protect adult sea turtles. so TO is wrong here.

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In this question I made an error of identifying the wrong Subject and said that the devices are the subject. But later realized that devices cannot be the subject because follows the prepositional phrase with and hence cannot be the subject. Is my reasoning correct?

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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

A. requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect
B. requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect
D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting
E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting

Please explain your answers. Thanks.


Hi egmat

What is the difference between laws requiring and laws that require ?
Also i have seen question with such structure .
How can one identify the where to use them properly.

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The Official Guide for GMAT Review, 12th Edition, 2009

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Question No.: SC 133
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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

(A) requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect

(B) requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting

(C) that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect

(D) to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting

(E) to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting

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I chose B because it seemed the closest answer to me, but I don't understand why the correct answer should not "requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets was protecting" instead of "on shrimp nets is protecting"?
Can anyone explain it to me please?

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In this question I made an error of identifying the wrong Subject and said that the devices are the subject. But later realized that devices cannot be the subject because follows the prepositional phrase with and hence cannot be the subject. Is my reasoning correct?




Hello longhaul123,

I am not sure if you still have this doubt. Here is the explanation nonetheless. :-)


In Choice A, devices surely is the subject but not in any other choice.



Please note that those nouns cannot act as the subject that are immediately preceded by a preposition. But that is not the case with devices in any of the answer choices.

In all the other four answer choices, devices actually acts as the object of the action require.



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Hi egmat

What is the difference between laws requiring and laws that require ?
Also i have seen question with such structure .
How can one identify the where to use them properly.

Regards,
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Hello Arvind / arvind910619,

I am not sure if you still have this doubt. But there is the explanation. :-)


There is no difference between the expressions laws requiring and laws that require. They both mean the same, and hence, we cannot choose one over the other.

Choice C is incorrect for the incorrect verb protect and not because of laws that require.


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I chose B because it seemed the closest answer to me, but I don't understand why the correct answer should not "requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets was protecting" instead of "on shrimp nets is protecting"?
Can anyone explain it to me please?

Thank You!



I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)


Firstly, there is no answer choice that gives the option to choose was protecting. All the answer choices uses the present tense verbs.


Secondly, use of present tense verb in the original sentence that this action of protecting the turtles is prevalent in the present. It is not that the turtles were being protected in the past. They still are being protected by the local shrimpers.



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