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sorry plumber250 ; I meant to write E is out and B is eventually ; Yes E is terrible . That is what I have said in the explanation before my final sentence,; it ia typo
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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

A. requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect
B. requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect
D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting
E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting

Please explain your answers. Thanks.


A S/V do not agree in number.
B Correct.
C S/V do not agree in number.
D S/V do not agree in number.
E "To require" is incorrect because the infinitive of purpose does not make sense. The ultimate goal of the law is not "to require" but rather "to protect." The requirement is merely a byproduct of the law.
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Hi sayantan2ck,
I know you were trying to explain different concept here but from subject verb agreement point of view i think protects should be used in Eg 2 and eg 3.
Also let me know what do you call compliance in grammatical terms? Is it a noun? I haven't seen much pronoun together with noun placed adjacently as in option A.
Let me know if structure wise the sentence is correct other than SV no agreement in option A in OG.
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Hi sayantan2ck,
...let me know what do you call compliance in grammatical terms? Is it a noun? I haven't seen much pronoun together with noun placed adjacently as in option A.
Let me know if structure wise the sentence is correct other than SV no agreement in option A in OG.
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Hello adkikani/Arpit,


I would be glad to help you resolve your doubt. :-)


The word compliance indeed is a noun. That is the reason why it can act as a subject in a clause.

Also, there is no issue in the expression of their compliance in Choice A. The pronoun their acts as a possessive pronoun that is followed by a noun. For example: my pen, your car, his project, her recipe, etc.

In Choice A, their compliance stands for the local shrimpers' compliance. Hence, choice A only one error - the Subject-Verb number disagreement error.


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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

A. requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect
plural verb "protect" is not in agreement with the singular subject "compliance"

B. requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
Correct Choice

C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect
Same Error as A

D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting
Two issues here
First: "Laws to require..." it says laws are created in order to require TE devices on shrimps...which is pretty awkward.. it should saying that Laws require that the TE devices be on Shrimps
Second : "are" protecting - needs to be "is" protecting


E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
Error one mentioned in Option D is killing this one as well
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carcass sorry for tagging! I am trying to get an answer for a long time. Why B is the correct ans here? Requiring demands the use of subjunctive, right? Isn't "is protecting" wrong here "requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting" ?????
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Last week local shrimpers via which they said: hey turtle X is back. Until now all is ok.

Now the tough part: saying that their compliance with laws I.E. the obedience under certain laws is protecting the turtles.

A. is wrong because requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect is weird and protect seems that the nets protect the turtles itself not the local shrimpers

C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect - same reasons

D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting - to require and are protecting generate a sentence totally wrong. Reading it that way has no sense

E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting - same reasons

B. saying that their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Hope now is clear.

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If in C, protect was plural (protects). Would it have been correct? The OG answer says that "that require" is wordy and unnecessary, but that part sounds better to me. Again, assuming it didn't have the protect issue.
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If in C, protect was plural (protects). Would it have been correct? The OG answer says that "that require" is wordy and unnecessary, but that part sounds better to me. Again, assuming it didn't have the protect issue.


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hi all,
i know this sub-verb agreement question.
But however i fail to understand the how the Subject is compliance here.
My question will sound silly,but please help me identify the main subject and main verb


Hi namrata88 / brandon7 ,

Welcome to GMATClub :)

Here I go:

1st Query:

Yes, in that case C would have been correct. But note that there is no reason to reject option B as well. So, a typical GMAT question will never have two such options at the same time. Hence, rest assured about that. :)

2nd Query:


Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

The clause after 'saying that' is an independent clause.

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Now, look at the above sentence, if you remove the fluff, you will find something as follows:

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Can you see the subject now?

Compliance is the subject and is protecting is the verb.

Let me know in case of any concern. :)
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If in C, protect was plural (protects). Would it have been correct? The OG answer says that "that require" is wordy and unnecessary, but that part sounds better to me. Again, assuming it didn't have the protect issue.



Hello brandon7,

I will be glad to resolve your doubt. :-)

Choice C of this official sentence has only the subject verb number agreement error. While their compliance is a singular subject, protect is a plural verb.

Please note that protects is a singular verb that will agree in number with the singular subject their compliance.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi namrata88 / brandon7 ,

Welcome to GMATClub :)

Here I go:

1st Query:

Yes, in that case C would have been correct. But note that there is no reason to reject option B as well. So, a typical GMAT question will never have two such options at the same time. Hence, rest assured about that. :)

2nd Query:


Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

The clause after 'saying that' is an independent clause.

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Now, look at the above sentence, if you remove the fluff, you will find something as follows:

their compliance with laws requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting adult sea turtles.

Can you see the subject now?

Compliance is the subject and is protecting is the verb.

Let me know in case of any concern. :)


Hello abhimahna,


You have presented very crisp analyses here. Great job there.

However, I would just like to let you know that what follows saying that is not an independent clause. It is a dependent clause because the connector that always starts a dependent clause.

The connector that always associates with the clause that it starts. So essentially, after saying, we have a dependent clause that reads: that their compliance with laws... is protecting adult sea turtles.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

A. requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect
B. requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
C. that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect
D. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting
E. to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting

Please explain your answers. Thanks.


Hi egmat

What is the difference between laws requiring and laws that require ?
Also i have seen question with such structure .
How can one identify the where to use them properly.

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I chose B because it seemed the closest answer to me, but I don't understand why the correct answer should not "requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets was protecting" instead of "on shrimp nets is protecting"?
Can anyone explain it to me please?

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In this question I made an error of identifying the wrong Subject and said that the devices are the subject. But later realized that devices cannot be the subject because follows the prepositional phrase with and hence cannot be the subject. Is my reasoning correct?




Hello longhaul123,

I am not sure if you still have this doubt. Here is the explanation nonetheless. :-)


In Choice A, devices surely is the subject but not in any other choice.



Please note that those nouns cannot act as the subject that are immediately preceded by a preposition. But that is not the case with devices in any of the answer choices.

In all the other four answer choices, devices actually acts as the object of the action require.



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What is the difference between laws requiring and laws that require ?
Also i have seen question with such structure .
How can one identify the where to use them properly.

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Hello Arvind / arvind910619,

I am not sure if you still have this doubt. But there is the explanation. :-)


There is no difference between the expressions laws requiring and laws that require. They both mean the same, and hence, we cannot choose one over the other.

Choice C is incorrect for the incorrect verb protect and not because of laws that require.


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I chose B because it seemed the closest answer to me, but I don't understand why the correct answer should not "requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets was protecting" instead of "on shrimp nets is protecting"?
Can anyone explain it to me please?

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I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)


Firstly, there is no answer choice that gives the option to choose was protecting. All the answer choices uses the present tense verbs.


Secondly, use of present tense verb in the original sentence that this action of protecting the turtles is prevalent in the present. It is not that the turtles were being protected in the past. They still are being protected by the local shrimpers.



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Last week local shrimpers held a news conference to take some credit for the resurgence of the rare Kemp's ridley turtle, saying that their compliance with laws requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect adult sea turtles.

The subject of the clause introduced by saying that is the singular noun compliance. This subject requires the singular form of the verb protect. The clearest, most economical way to describe the laws in question is to follow the word laws with a present participle requiring. To use an infinitive, to require, seems to indicate that requiring these devices is the objective of the laws, when in fact the objective is to protect the sea turtles. (Taken from OG)

(A) requiring that turtle-excluder devices be on shrimp nets protect

(B) requiring turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
Requiring is modifying laws and S-V agreement is in place.

(C) that require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets protect

(D) to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets are protecting

(E) to require turtle-excluder devices on shrimp nets is protecting
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