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Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills
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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills



requires that ... subjunctive mood..

IMO A



Here is an excellent thread on subjunctive constructs.

subjunctive-and-use-of-that-with-simple-verb-form-79606.html

It is not essential that "that" appear in subjunctive.
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imo A
.... as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are... - so that clearly refers to jobs (not to singular skill)
that doesn’t need to touch the noun it refers

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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills

B - require ... that ... should - incorrect
C - pay in - not a correct idiom, should be pay for
D - awkward structure - a job was ... or is one (job) ...
E - jobs vs job

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oh boy! I kept spinning wheels with E; need to understand subjunctive mood better...

Some good resources

http://www.ceafinney.com/subjunctive/guide.html
http://www.ceafinney.com/subjunctive/examples.html


but I think key words are contradiction, wish or mandate perhaps should do the trick...

who says GMAT does not judge vocabulary but grammer only...!

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Shouldn't it be:
legislation ...requires ... employers .. TO PAY as much for jobs.

As opposed to:

Legislation ...requires ...employers .. THAT PAY be the same for jobs.

When do we use an infinitive, and when do we use a subordinate?

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Hey All,

A lot of conversation here, but no one has yet really gone through it piece by piece and explained what the heck is going on. I'll be that guy!

The verb "to require" can function in two ways. The first is passive: "Something is required TO do something". In this format, we have the passive voice of required. You can't go active (It's not allowed to say "He requires you to do something."), and you have to use the infinitive form of the subordinate verb. THE OTHER version of the verb "to require" is active, and forms the subjunctive of demand (We call them bossy verbs). Bossy verbs always form the same way:

BOSSY VERB CONSTRUCTION: HE demanded THAT Sheila dance.
subject normal verb always have "that" Object verb in the subjunctive

The verb in the subjunctive may be tough to recognize. However, the typical present tense form that goes with the subject "Sheila" is "dances". The subjunctive is generally formed by taking the infinitive form of the verb ("to dance") and removing the "to".

Okay. Now let's look at the question.

3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
ANSWER: Here we have "requires" in the active voice, so we need the bossy verb construction. We get the THAT we need, then the object "pay", then the subjunctive form "be" (it's the infinitive "to be" without the "to"). Looks good!

(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
PROBLEM: YOU NEVER USE SHOULD in a subjunctive construction. In fact, should gets used SO OFTEN in these types of questions, that it's worth noticing it in all the sentences you look at. Often, it signals a bossy verb subjunctive construction that you might not have noticed otherwise!

(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. Also "in jobs" is an incorrect idiom. It should be "for jobs".

(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. Also the parallelism is wrong. The wrong two things are being compared.

(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. "Jobs" and "a job" aren't parallel.

Hope that helps!

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Tommy, according to MGMAT SC. I thought "require" is one of those verbs that can take EITHER command subjunctive or the Infinitive.

We require that he be here
We require him to be here

I believe both are correct?

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Hey Lonewolf,

This is a tough one. You're absolutely right that the MGMAT SC Guide states as a correct sentence: "She requires that her friend do work." I feel certain that this construction is not used anymore, though it still may be considered grammatically correct. I'll have to ask around. However, I did say in my explanation that "require" can be used both ways. I merely specified that we don't use the subjunctive format transitively anymore (transitively = with a direct object).

"We require that he be here" is not correct in my opinion, because you can't put an active subject in front of the the verb when used in the subjunctive. "It is required that he be here" is correct, but I don't believe I can "require that you be somewhere".

"We require him to be here" is entirely correct as is.

I will check on this difference, because I wouldn't want to steer you wrong.

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Hey Lonewolf,

So I've done my research, and yes, that version IS considered okay: "I require that you be here". Darnit! : )

It doesn't change the answer, however, or my explanation. Can I help further?

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Hey Tommy, your explanation for option (D)

(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
PROBLEM: The "to" is wrong for the subjunctive construction. Also the parallelism is wrong. The wrong two things are being compared.

I understood the "to" part but I did not understand how two wrong things are compared. I thought the comparison is between a job and a job. please explain

"pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one (a job) demanding comparaing skills that are usually held by men"

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I was confused between A and C.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are - Seemed right at the first go but then I was confused as to whether "that" here is referring to "skill" or "jobs". A second thought made me realize that "that" is followed by "are" and so it has to refer to jobs and not skill.
Hence the answer.


(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are - is the use of "in" incorrect here?

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3. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) [color=#4000FF]that
pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
Correct-subjunctive mood, parralellism:jobs//jobs, "that" correctly modifies jobs.
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are correct wording is to pay for jobs vs. to pay in jobs
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills. jobs are held by women, not a job. not parrallel. .... whether a job was historically held by women or demands comparable skills would be correct as "is" is parralel to demands. In D, "that" modifies rather skills, so it changes the meaning slighly.
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills [/color]
a job is not parralell to jobs.
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if you were wondering, what does Natia's signature line, 'Las cualidades del agua...porque el agua no olvida que su destino es el mar, y que tarde o temprano deberá llegar a él', mean...

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The qualities of the water ... because the water does not forget that their destination is the sea, and that sooner or later it must be reached.

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Hey ajit,

Great question - and I think that this one is a prime candidate for what I call the Slash-and-Burn technique for streamlining sentences. The sentence begins with two modifiers before the underlined:

"in the Canadian province of Ontario" and "of both public and private employers" both describe the words before them ("legislation", the subject; and "requires", the verb). If you remove them to read the sentence in a simpler form, you have:

Legislation requires that... (A and B)

or

Legislation requires to pay... (C, D, E)

A and B have it - "legislation requires that" is correct, whereas "legislation requires to pay" doesn't have a proper subject for "to pay".


Between those two, we know that we have a comparison being drawn, so the most likely decision point is going to be a proper, parallel comparison.

A compares "the same for jobs held by women" and "as for jobs requiring..."

It correctly compares "jobs" to "jobs" and has the appropriate paralllel form of "for" in front of both.

B compares "jobs" to "a job", which isn't perfectly parallel. And it also adds the unnecessary word "should" in there ("require" means "must", so "should" just confuses the meaning). Therefore B is wrong and A is the correct answer.


I hope that helps...
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Will go with A.

A - requires that and then simple form (be). Also, for ...for is parallel
B- require and should doesn't go hand in hand -so, its redundant.

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IMO, this text is a test of parallelism and idiom. Only A maintains both by using the comparative phrase ‘for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring’. A is the right answer

No other choice flaunts an equitable comparison, B and E compare ‘jobs’ with ‘a job’

C uses an odd and unidiomatic ‘to pay the same in the jobs ‘
D compares ‘past tense’ with ‘present tense’
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This is how I tackled (took a lot of time :()
there are two idioms tested here 1) requires of x that y 2) same as (this is one of the "Comparison" types requires...same....as)

A does that job well.

Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills - missing the comparison
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are - "to pay" out
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills - same as C
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills - same as D

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Good question, Rajen - if we take out the modifying phrases and whittle down to just "legislation requires to pay", there isn't any indication of WHOM is required to pay. The legislation surely isn't paying. For demands like "require", there needs to be an object of that verb that then does something else. You could say:

The law requires employers to pay

or

The law requires that employers pay

but in either case you need to have "employers" (or another appropriate noun) clearly set up as the object of the requirement and the subject of the verb "pay".

The modifying phrase "of both public and private employers" puts "employers" as a description but not as a subject/object. Because of that preposition "of", we can ignore that phrase to closer link the subject, verb, and object - and in doing so we realize that without a clear noun for the verb "to pay", the sentence is incomplete.

Without the phrase "of", "to pay" could work: Legislation requires both public and private employers to pay...

But the word "of" makes that noun "employers" part of a modifier and not a standalone object-of-"require" / subject-of-"to pay", and so therefore C/D/E are all incorrect.
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This sentence has subjunctive mood
It is because the Legislation desires its people to pay same for the jobs but there is degree of uncertainty as to whether or not people actually follow the law.

Therefore, both public and private employers that pay.... is correct. Here we have to use
"that + infinitive form"(without "to")

So, we can neglect choices C, D, and E.

Now between A and B ... A has valid comparison .... therefore answer will be A



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