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A. ..after the release .. had migrated
B. ..since releasing .. had migrated
C. ..had been released .. had migrated
D. ..from the release .. had migrated
E. ..were released out.. had migrated

all the options apart from A have tense agreement problem

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yes, clear A. B and C is awkward, and D and E is wordy.

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sandipchowdhury wrote:
Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, their descendents, popular known as killer bees had migrated as far north as Southern Texas.
A. Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
B. In less than 35 years since releasing African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
C. In less than the 35 years since African honeybees had been released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
D. It took less than 35 years from the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, when
E. It took less than 35 years after the time that African honeybees were released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, and then


Let me give you my humble opinion.

B incorrect because, in part, of the misplaced modifier rule: whatever "releasing" is referring to needs to follow the comma after Brazil. However, "their descendants" (of honeybees) is unacceptable for obvious reasons.

C incorrect because "since" must be followed by an event at a particular point in time in the past (i.e, since 2000; since the release of the honeybees, since the honeybees were released). For this reason, the past perfect is inappropriate and you must use the simple past if you opt for a conjugated verb. Do NOT use the past perfect in the "since" clause, period. Also using "the" before 35 years is incorrect.

D and E incorrect:
D and E do not need any serious discussion as they offer an awkward sentence construction not used in English. Avoid that construction at all times (it... ,when or it...,and then)
Also "from" in D and "after the time" are not adequate in this context.

A is the correct answer.
Less than 35 years is enough-No need of the beginning "in".
A great way to check whether A is correct is to have the two clauses switch places; begin with the main clause "their descendents, popular known as killer bees had migrated as far north as Southern Texas and finish with the subordinate clause "less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil". This gives us:

Their descendents, popularly known as killer bees, had migrated as far north as Southern Texas less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil.
This is indeed a correct sentence.

Now, try the same technique with the other choices and tell us whether you like the resulting sentence. Which seems the most natural and fluid to you?
Finally, if A ain't broken, don't try to fix it.

I hope this helps.
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A it is. Release happened and before the end of 35 years, the migration happened.

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TheGMATDoctor, could you please elaborate why D and E are wrong. TIA

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New post 27 Jul 2011, 20:45
Pretty good question . A it is.

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A. Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, :Correct form
B. In less than 35 years since releasing African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,: seems as if the descendant killer bee is the agent - they released african honeybees!! (releasing here is functioning as a participle, not a gerund)
C. In less than the 35 years since African honeybees had been released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,: passive voice, not prefered form
D. It took less than 35 years from the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, when :Use of IT is unnecessarily wordy - from the release of is wrong construction.
E. It took less than 35 years after the time that African honeybees were released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, and then: Unnecessarily splits the sentence into two independent clauses joined with a comma- it took....and then...less than 35 years after the time is wrong

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Tons of explanation on this problem on MGMAT forum

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/gma ... 64-15.html

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sandipchowdhury wrote:
Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, their descendents, popular known as killer bees had migrated as far north as Southern Texas.
A. Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
B. In less than 35 years since releasing African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
C. In less than the 35 years since African honeybees had been released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
D. It took less than 35 years from the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, when
E. It took less than 35 years after the time that African honeybees were released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, and then


Guess, the sentence is trying to say this:
Release happened
End period: Less than 35 years is the end period, say 34 years or 1 year.
Migration happened before this end period.

Thus, migration indeed happened before the END of this 35 years period. This may justify the use of past perfect "had migrated".

A fits the bill.


One doubt here :roll:

past perfect tense always pairs with a past tense to indicate the relative time difference between 2 events occured in the past .

But (a) doesn't have a past tense, only a past perfect ...
Am I missing something here :?: :(
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A. ..after the release .. had migrated
B. ..since releasing .. had migrated
C. ..had been released .. had migrated
D. ..from the release .. had migrated
E. ..were released out.. had migrated

all the options apart from A have tense agreement problem



Explained in a nice manner.Thanks.

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Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, their descendents, popular known as killer bees had migrated as far north as Southern Texas.

A. Less than 35 years after the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
Less ~ is adverbial phrase modifying the next whole sentence, Correct.

B. In less than 35 years since releasing African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
Releasing has no subject.

C. In less than the 35 years since African honeybees had been released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil,
sounds like the African honeybees has been released at the same time as the killer bees had migrated.
Making no sense.

D. It took less than 35 years from the release of African honeybees outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, when
'When' makes the sentence sound like at the time which the honey bees were migrated, the release happened. no sense.

E. It took less than 35 years after the time that African honeybees were released outside Sao Paulo, Brazil, and then

'and then' sounds like there's a time sequence. The release -> migration. No sense.
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Yes A is right. Option C uses Past Perfect in both the clauses. It is not logical.

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Hello mikemcgarry,
How are you?
I am stuck. can you please help me out?
I could eliminate D and E.
I also eliminated B, as I thought "the release of" is better than "releasing"
Did not understand the difference between "since" and "after"
I picked C, as I thought "in" was needed, and As honeybee "was released" first then The "migrated".
I think the pronoun "their" plays a role here, So i also hope that you might say something about pronoun too...

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Hello mikemcgarry,
How are you?
I am stuck. can you please help me out?
I could eliminate D and E.
I also eliminated B, as I thought "the release of" is better than "releasing"
Did not understand the difference between "since" and "after"
I picked C, as I thought "in" was needed, and As honeybee "was released" first then The "migrated".
I think the pronoun "their" plays a role here, So i also hope that you might say something about pronoun too...

Thanks a ton in advance.
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Dear nahid78,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

The big idea here is that if a time interval is unmodified, then we typically use "in" or "for." Notice, that the modifiers such as "more than" or "less than" don't change the basic pattern.
In three days, I will do X
In less than two years, I will do X.
For more than six years, I did X.

BUT, and this is very important, when the the time interval is modified, by a preposition or a clause, we do NOT need a preposition.
Three days after the wedding, I did X. = preposition modifier
More than six years before the French Revolution, he did X. = preposition modifier
Less than five minutes after you called, I did X. = clause modifier
Two days before you returned to town, I did X. = clause modifier

In this sentence, the time interval "three years" is modified by a clause beginning with a subordinate conjunction ("after" in (A) and "since" in (C)). Because it's modified in this way, it does not need a preposition.

Does all this make sense?
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Dear nahid78,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

The big idea here is that if a time interval is unmodified, then we typically use "in" or "for." Notice, that the modifiers such as "more than" or "less than" don't change the basic pattern.
In three days, I will do X
In less than two years, I will do X.
For more than six years, I did X.

BUT, and this is very important, when the the time interval is modified, by a preposition or a clause, we do NOT need a preposition.
Three days after the wedding, I did X. = preposition modifier
More than six years before the French Revolution, he did X. = preposition modifier
Less than five minutes after you called, I did X. = clause modifier
Two days before you returned to town, I did X. = clause modifier

In this sentence, the time interval "three years" is modified by a clause beginning with a subordinate conjunction ("after" in (A) and "since" in (C)). Because it's modified in this way, it does not need a preposition.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)



Dear Mike,

I'm little bit confused about 'less than' in this question.

Why do not we use ' fewer than 3 years'? Is not 'years' countable word?

Thanks

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