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# Lets destroy OG , Started with OG 10

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27 Dec 2012, 19:33
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Verb agreement error......Have been cannot be used it will mean that past action is continuing in the present i.e. The destruction of the building is still continuing. had been can be blindly used here because two events both are in past and the former has ended.....

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35. In June of 1987, The Bridge of Trinquetaille, Vincent van Gogh's view of an iron bridge over the Rhone sold
for \$20.2 million and it was the second highest price ever paid for a painting at auction.
(A) Rhone sold for \$20.2 million and it was<<<<<<<<<<Sold modifies Bridge over Rhone ...wrong>>>>
(B) Rhone, which sold for \$20.2 million, was<<<<<<Which stands for Rhone wrong>>>>>>>
(C) Rhone, was sold for \$20.2 million, <<<Correct>>>>>>>
(D) Rhone was sold for \$20.2 million, being<<<<Wrong usage of Being change in meaning>>>>
(E) Rhone, sold for \$20.2 million, and was<<<It means The book was sold for the amount and book was the second highest price <<<<wrong How can book be paid its humna being who are paid>>> moreover noun clause should modify 20.2 Million \$ and not the book>>>>>>>>>>

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Q 31

Concepts-Use of unlike
Like & unlike can only compare two nouns and like means ‘similar to”
For comparing clauses use ‘as’
Usage of which
The preposition ‘which’ usually only modifies the preceding noun,
Occasionally it can jump over a prepositional phrase to modify a noun
Meaning change
* there's also a slight change in meaning.
"....recognize that their ... skills are weak" just means that the people should know that they have weak skills.
"...Recognize the weakness..." means that they should actually be able to point out the specific weakness.

Previous Expert comments—Ron on Mgmt forum
* if you're going to use "while" with an adjective phrase (while willing to...), then that adjective phrase should precede the main verb.
i.e., many people, while willing to... , are disinclined to...

Usage of which--Ron mgmt
nouns that are modified by prepositional phrases can still be the referent of 'which' even if they are a few words distant from it.
This usually happens when the immediately preceding noun is grammatically incompatible with the verb after "which".

For example: "The picture of my brothers, which was taken last year in Mexico, is one of my favorites."

You might object to this sentence on the grounds that 'which' might be taken to modify 'brothers'. And, in a strict sort of way, you'd be right. But here's the catch: There's really no other reasonable way to write this sentence. You just can't get 'picture' next to the 'which' clause without creating total nonsense, or splitting the sentence into 2 smaller sentences
plus, 'brothers' is plural, and is incompatible with 'which WAS'.
This is an interesting point, though, and subtle at that.

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Concepts--- Meaning
The problem says that some buildings “were destroyed and heavily damaged” but that doesn’t actually make sense! A building is either destroyed or heavily damaged, but it can’t be both simultaneously because these are two different states on the same continuum. The correct answer, B, switches that “and” to the more logical “or.”
Answers B and E are both grammatically correct, but they have different meanings.-Stacy Koprince mgmt

Tense
The buildings were first built thereafter destroyed, so we need past perfect tense to indicate that
the correct answer will read ‘some of the buildings that were destroyed (past tense) or heavily damaged in the earthquake had been(past perfect tense)

Placement of words/single word
Last year modifies the year of the earth quake, so it should be placed as close to that as in B
IN Choice E Last year is illogically is placed close to buildings, so it appears as if buildings were built last year

http://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2011/09/ ... correction
http://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2011/10/ ... ion-part-2
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Q 33
ConceptsParallelism

Elements in the list need to be logically and grammatically // since thay are of equal significance

Gmat loves to trick you by making you pick the wrong elements on the list or by making grammatical constructions // erroneously
eg- simple gerunds and complex gerunds and concrete nouns and action nouns CANNOT BE //
Try to check for //m from Right to left (in a list) most important words will be place far away from the underlined portions

Q 34

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MUCH vs MANY
Countable noun—many
Non-countable nouns –much

s-v agreement
dioxins—come both plural
dioxin comes --singular
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you shouldn't end modifiers with prepositions.
* "that north Americans are exposed to" is WRONG

Previous Expert comments—Ron on Mgmt forum
* "much of the dioxins" is not good.
if you're going to use uncountable quantity words, like "much", then you should use them with singular mass nouns (money, furniture, water, etc.)

* "that north Americans are exposed to" is WRONG.
you shouldn't end modifiers with prepositions.
this should be "to which north Americans are exposed".

* "much" is singular (as are all uncountable quantity words - "much", "little", as well as more/less etc. when used with uncountable quantities), so the plural verb "come" is wrong.

LINK to a previous useful disscuss on the same
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post36051.html

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28 Dec 2012, 05:02
But the takeaways are from the 31st question ahead ??
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28 Dec 2012, 14:32
41 E
42 C
43 E
44 E
45 c
46 E
47 E
48 C
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50 D
Please post the OA. I found this set very difficult. Meanwhile I will try to justify why I chose the above options.

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41. Under a provision of the Constitution that was never applied. Congress has been required to call a convention
for considering possible amendments to the document when formally asked to do it by the legislatures
of two-thirds of the states.
(A) was never applied, Congress has been required to call a convention for considering possible
amendments to the document when formally asked to do it
(B) was never applied, there has been a requirement that Congress call a convention for consideration of
possible amendments to the document when asked to do it formally
(C) was never applied, whereby Congress is required to call a convention for considering possible
amendments to the document when asked to do it formally
(D) has never been applied, whereby Congress is required to call a convention to consider possible
amendments to the document when formally asked to do so
(E) has never been applied. Congress is required to call a convention to consider possible amendments to
the document when formally asked to do so

E is the answer. "has never been applied" is appropriate here. Clear and concise. It conveys the intended meaning.

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42. The current administration, being worried over some foreign trade barriers being removed and our exports
failing to increase as a result of deep cuts in the value of the dollar, has formed a group to study ways to
sharpen our competitiveness.
(A) being worried over some foreign trade barriers being removed and our exports failing
(B) worrying over some foreign trade barriers being removed, also over the failure of our exports
(C) worried about the removal of some foreign trade barriers and the failure of our exports
(D) in that they were worried about the removal of some foreign trade barriers and also about the failure of
our exports
(E) because of its worry concerning the removal of some foreign trade barriers, also concerning the failure
of our exports

I chose C because "worried" correctly modifies the current administration. The first two options have "being" which is not appropriately used here. Please correct me if I am wrong

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No compiled lists yet.......come on guys still waiting for reponses so that i can go ahead with posting........

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No compiled lists yet.......come on guys still waiting for reponses so that i can go ahead with posting........

I agree there is no use of JUST posting questions w/o discussion from other participant members. I will post some more takeaways from the remaining 5-6 questions and finish the exercise. Archit can you please post the OA from Q41-Q 50? thnks
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Formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to new small businesses in the same way as they do to established big businesses, because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium.
(A) Formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to new small businesses in the same way as they do to established big businesses, because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium. modifier issue
(B) Because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to new small businesses in the same way as they do to established big businesses. modifier issue
(C) Because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, new small businesses are not subject to the same applicability of formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity as established big businesses. should not be same applicability but probably applicability in the same way
(D) Because new small businesses are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to them in the same way as to established big businesses. - correct
(E) New small businesses are not subject to the applicability of formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity in the same way as established big businesses, because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium.

D is definitely better than E, but I do not have any solid reason to eliminate. I am sure "they(subject pronoun)" refers to New small businesses (subject noun) only.

Can someone please point out the mistake in E?
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29 Dec 2012, 03:20
Posting OA 41 - 50

41 E
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43 A
44 E
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46 E
47 E
48 C
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Requesting all to present take aways..I am preparing set of question out of these 50 with the heading of " Questions pertaining to Verb ing Modifier'......I feel that this type modifier are real challenge and acing such tye will guarantee 25 - 30 % correct SC answer

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41 E
42 C
43 E
44 E
45 c
46 E
47 E
48 C
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Please post the OA. I found this set very difficult. Meanwhile I will try to justify why I chose the above options.

Just one wrong sharmila good job!!!!

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*41 e (are you sure about the full stop in the option?)
42 c
*43 e
*44 e
45 c
*46 e
47 e
48 c
49 b
50 d

Good Job dentobizzz!!! just one wrong
I see that both you and sharmila got Q 43 wrong... Since i got it right i ll post my understanding of it
You pointed out some query about full stop in Q 41 ..Its GMAT forget about dobting anything that is official and do not care even if RON questions it...He too learned from it.

In Q 41 for Q 41 When i referd my error log i found that "Whereby ' introduces a fragment and hence is considered wrong on GMAT....

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43. In the minds of many people living in England, before Australia was Australia, it was the antipodes, the
opposite pole to civilization, an obscure and unimaginable place that was considered the end of the world.
(A) before Australia was Australia, it was the antipodes
(B) before there was Australia, it was the antipodes
(C) it was the antipodes that was Australia
(D) Australia was what was the antipodes
(E) Australia was what had been known as the antipodes

Hi Sharmilla and Dentobizz

Option E cannot be right option Choice because of the presence of "Had been"
Can u find any other past event....

Answer is NO Check the word "Living in England' that means its talking of people presently living in England not about those who lived.

It also alters the intent of the sentence had been means that there is no one alive thinking of Australia as antipodes..thats wrong because of the verb in the non underlined portion i.e. living means there are people still living.
Be very careful in the use of "Had been " when attached to something means it was over in the past there is no one doing or carrying out that activity......For clarification check OG 13 Q 77 ( A contract of 1977 restricted canada and US ...)

Moreover the use of" Australia was Australia" Refer OG 13 (Eg: wasps, wasps are social........)

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Formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to new small businesses in the same way as they do to established big businesses, because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium.
(A) Formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to new small businesses in the same way as they do to established big businesses, because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium. modifier issue
(B) Because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to new small businesses in the same way as they do to established big businesses. modifier issue
(C) Because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, new small businesses are not subject to the same applicability of formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity as established big businesses. should not be same applicability but probably applicability in the same way
(D) Because new small businesses are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to them in the same way as to established big businesses. - correct
(E) New small businesses are not subject to the applicability of formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity in the same way as established big businesses, because they are growing and are seldom in equilibrium.

D is definitely better than E, but I do not have any solid reason to eliminate. I am sure "they(subject pronoun)" refers to New small businesses (subject noun) only.

Can someone please point out the mistake in E?

Hi anshu
Just like to correct you
option A is a Pronoun ambiguity ..They being plural must be used for new small business but since big buisnesses is present close it, hence its a Pronoun error.

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dentobizz wrote:
IMO
*41 e (are you sure about the full stop in the option?)
42 c
*43 e
*44 e
45 c
*46 e
47 e
48 c
49 b
50 d

Good Job dentobizzz!!! just one wrong
I see that both you and sharmila got Q 43 wrong... Since i got it right i ll post my understanding of it
You pointed out some query about full stop in Q 41 ..Its GMAT forget about dobting anything that is official and do not care even if RON questions it...He too learned from it.

In Q 41 for Q 41 When i referd my error log i found that "Whereby ' introduces a fragment and hence is considered wrong on GMAT....

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I will just quote what Ron wrote in the mgmt forum , he hasn't questioned the og just said that we will NEVER see 2 sentences in the SC problems on the official test. It will always be a single sentence

''For our Yankee readers, 'full stop' is the British commonwealth way of saying 'period' (= punctuation mark that denotes the end of a sentence; not the other meanings of 'period').

One thing that NEVER changes about Sentence Correction questions is that they are single sentences. You will NEVER see a SC question in which the problem - or ANY single one of the answer choices - contains a period ('full stop') anywhere except at the very end. They just don't do that.

I don't have the 10th edition OG in front of me, but I can guarantee you that, if you look closely enough, all the marks you're currently mistaking for 'full stops' are actually commas.''
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Q 35 36 37
CONCEPT TESTED
Use of And
--'and' is used to join two sentences as a coordinating conjunction; it means that these two don't have a cause-effect relation but are two independent thaught
I failed in the exam and I didn't study enough (this means that the failure is NOT linked to lack of studying)

Use of 'being'
being is wrong on the GMAT almost always , unless it cannot be replaced by a better construction

use of native of and native to
In general, we use "native of" when we're speaking of an individual (human or otherwise); we use "native to" when we're speaking about a other things such as plant/animals.the verb preceding "native to" should always be in the present tense.
John is a native of Houston
Clove is native to Africa

appositive modifier
IN Q35 In June of 1987, The Bridge of Trinquetaille, Vincent van Gogh's view of an iron bridge over the Rhone, was sold for \$20.2million, the second highest price ever paid for a painting at auction.
the orange part is a modifier. (it's called an "appositive" modifier.)
Modifiers can be removed in grammatical analysis, so you can just look at the remaining part -- The Bridge of Trinq was sold...
The key is just to be able to recognize which parts of a sentence are modifiers.
Punctuation and so on can help you here, but the meaning of the sentence makes this job much easier

these are adjectives that modify a single noun and are not joined by any conjunctions. For example, we say an amazing, mammoth profession. The adjectives ‘amazing and mammoth’ both refer to the procession and are not joined the usual ‘and’. A comma is used to separate both the adjectives; In effect it means an amazing and mammoth procession.
eg--in Q 37 only if it is taught as a separate, required course-Cordinating conj.

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Usage of BEING
There is no official rule about the use of the word "being." The GMAT just tends to use it in awkward and/or passive constructions; therefore its presence is generally a sign of a wrong answer. If it's in a correct choice, it is most likely to appear at the beginning of a sentence, as in this example:

"Being the president is both difficult and rewarding."
Naturally, if "being" is in the non-underlined portion, or if it appears in every answer choice, then it is being used correctly. Still, most of its uses are not so good. Here are some examples of GMAT-style wrong choices containing "being":
I was not aware of of the situation being so bad. (Better is: I was not aware that the situation was so bad.)
He was not interested in working hard, but being rich. (Better: He was interested not in working hard, but in becoming rich.)
The CFO suggested a reduction in the number of employees being assigned to the project. (Better: Simply remove "being.")
These are just a few examples. It may help to spend some time looking through SC questions that contain "being" and asking "What purpose does the word serve here? Could it be replaced with something better, or simply eliminated? Is there a more direct way to say this that would not require the use of 'being'?"
Still, if you need to make a quick decision, avoiding "being" is usually the way to go.
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Q number--38 39 40

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--ING modifiers (38, 39)
-ing modifiers are a topic in themselves
their usage differs depending upon the presence/absence of comma before them. Most OG question have --ing modifiers as the opening modifiers which should be followed by a subject immediately in most cases.

From the meaning standpoint -ing modifiers indicate a on going simultaneous action OR and cause-consequence relation b/w the modifier and the clause. So always check is the meaning of the sentence warrants its use.
(in depth application of the modifiers is covered in e-gmat articles listed below and Thursdays with Ron session-- Link given below)

to+verb
TO+verb incidates purpose/inntent to doxxx
eg-- I am on a diet to loose weight (RIGHT purpose of dieting is loosing wt)

Arvind Adiga won the Booker's prize to write,the book , The white tiger (WRONG The purpose for writing the book is not winning the prize )
Arvind Adiga won the Booker's prize for writing ,the book,The white tiger--correct

Instead of is used to compare nouns whereas rather than is used to compare clauses
instead of and rather than also differ VERY slightly in meaning
instead of --indicates replacement and rather than--indicates -selection b/w things

comma+Infinitive is wrong
A infinitive CANNOT be preceded by a COMMA

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'We can't use an infinitive after the comma. Remember that an infinitive functions as a verb, but we're trying to introduce a modifying clause here to provide further information about the military equipment. (q 39)
This is just one of those things you have to memorize, unfortunately, especially if you are not a native speaker'-Stacy Mgmt

'think about the meaning of the sentence: you have a contrast between an application over a continuous surface (in which "over" actually makes logical sense), on the one hand, and a different application at a series of (individual) points, on the other hand.
the issue, then, is the meaning of each preposition -- this is not a question about idioms. (q 40)
when something happens at a single location, "at" is used; it makes no sense to say that something happens "over" a single point (or several single points -- still ultimately the same issue)'.—Ron

There IS a crucial difference between "rather than" and "instead of" that you should know. "Rather than" is a conjunction and so can be followed by basically anything, whereas "instead of" is a (complex) preposition -- and a preposition should be followed only by a noun.
Now, the noun can be an "-ing" verb, known as a gerund. However, the GMAT seems to prefer "rather than" in comparisons of verbs, because the parallelism is clearest:
(1) "I ski rather than snowboard." -- Correct.
(2) "I ski instead of snowboarding." -- Correct, but a 'little' less parallel, so (1) is slightly preferable. The GMAT probably won't test this point in isolation, though, so we're going to revise the question.
You can also use "rather than" to compare phrases or clauses. In that context, "instead of" is absolutely wrong, even though it's heard in spoken English:
(3) "I went in the cellar rather than in the attic." -- Correct.
(4) "I went in the cellar instead of in the attic." -- INCORRECT although this 'sounds' normal to me, to be honest! (That's why you have to retrain your ear -- it's not always grammatically right!)
(5) "I went in the cellar instead of the attic." -- Also correct. No difference in preference between (3) and (5).

As for the meaning of the two expressions -- to my ear, they have slightly different connotations or nuances ("instead of" sounds more like an actual replacement to me than "rather than," which is somehow softer), but the GMAT doesn't seem to test that connotational difference.--mgmt forums
So -- when in doubt, go with "rather than"!

Link to previous valuable discussions on the same topic

VERB+ing modifiers by e-gmat (part 1 and 2)
usage-of-verb-ing-modifiers-135220.html#p1101074
verb-ing-modifiers-part-2-in-our-first-article-on-verb-ing-135567.html

http://www.beatthegmat.com/ing-modifier ... 38943.html
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/og- ... t1560.html
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