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# Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the

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Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

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25 Aug 2007, 04:59
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Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

Explanation: Lewis and clark were not.........nor did they.
parallelism. Sentences starting with "And they" in A,B,C doesnt have the parallelism. D is out because simple past is enough.
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19 Nov 2007, 11:02
t think E ..lacks parallelism ..shouldn't it be ..."nor were they....".
rather than "nor did they.."
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19 Nov 2007, 11:14
kalpvriksha14 wrote:
t think E ..lacks parallelism ..shouldn't it be ..."nor were they....".
rather than "nor did they.."

the concept is "do verb replacement"
did replaces the action verb were.
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19 Nov 2007, 13:36
What is wrong with (A)? (A is not the same as the part underlined in the question)
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19 Nov 2007, 13:44
kalpvriksha14 wrote:
Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

either A or E

for some reason A is different from the underlined original
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19 Nov 2007, 13:51
Is it not essential that if there is a nor in the sentence there has to be a preseeding neither in the sentence? I feel A is the answer.
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19 Nov 2007, 18:03
kalpvriksha14 wrote:
Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

Will go for 'E'. In the original there are double negatives which is not favoured in GMAT.

'E' is short and snappy ...and is something like this
John didn’t turn up, and nor did Alice.
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19 Nov 2007, 18:31
Going with E in this case... correct use of did, they, and nor

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Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

Id say E.

ABC don't really complete the sentence the way it should be. the use of nor here is clearer than and.

When reading A,B, or C I had trouble trying to figure out what the sentence was really trying to say.

D: use of had is not needed.
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20 Nov 2007, 20:44
kalpvriksha14 wrote:
Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

I would go with B - or the original underlined portion of the sentence.

kalpvriksha14 - can we have the OA please?
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OA is E...and OE is
Being the second thing that Lewis and Clark did not do, the word nor is required. The first negative phrase is in the past simple, so the second one must be in past simple form as well.
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01 Jan 2014, 06:17
Sorry for bringing this thread up, but i am unable to understand the errors here.

Experts can you kindly elucidate. My concerns are:

1. What is wrong with Option B ?
2. Is it a GMAT kind of question ?
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Sorry for bringing this thread up, but i am unable to understand the errors here.

Experts can you kindly elucidate. My concerns are:

1. What is wrong with Option B ?
2. Is it a GMAT kind of question ?

Coming back to the question,

Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
comma + and separate either a list of entities or two independent clauses that are related in idea. The portion after and is not an independent clause. Further, double negatives are used.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
double negative shouldn't be used.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
double negative shouldn't be used. Also, usage of past perfect induces a sequencing of events, which isn't necessary here.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
usage of past perfect states induces a sequencing of events, which isn't necessary here. Also, parallelism in the second clause is lost.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
nor perfectly keeps the parallelism between the two clauses. No double negatives used.
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Can anyone explain to me why D and E are not double negatives through the usage of "nor" and "not already"? I crossed both out immediately because of this issue.

If the following sentence is a double negative, how can D and E not be double negatives?
X) Neither did I have no money nor did I have no land.
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Can anyone explain to me why D and E are not double negatives through the usage of "nor" and "not already"? I crossed both out immediately because of this issue.

If the following sentence is a double negative, how can D and E not be double negatives?
X) Neither did I have no money nor did I have no land.

Neither did I have money, nor did I have land == > I had no money, and I had no land.
Why do u need those extra no's?

The opposite effect sentence would be
or simply,
I had both money and land.
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TooLong150 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why D and E are not double negatives through the usage of "nor" and "not already"? I crossed both out immediately because of this issue.

If the following sentence is a double negative, how can D and E not be double negatives?
X) Neither did I have no money nor did I have no land.

Neither did I have money, nor did I have land == > I had no money, and I had no land.
Why do u need those extra no's?

The opposite effect sentence would be
or simply,
I had both money and land.

Those "no's" demonstrate what D and E do and makes D and E sound like double negatives.
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TooLong150 wrote:
sivasanjeev wrote:
TooLong150 wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why D and E are not double negatives through the usage of "nor" and "not already"? I crossed both out immediately because of this issue.

If the following sentence is a double negative, how can D and E not be double negatives?
X) Neither did I have no money nor did I have no land.

Neither did I have money, nor did I have land == > I had no money, and I had no land.
Why do u need those extra no's?

The opposite effect sentence would be
or simply,
I had both money and land.

Those "no's" demonstrate what D and E do and makes D and E sound like double negatives.

I think I got your question, now.
Consider the following sentence.

Neither did I have the money not spent, nor did I have the land not registered in my name.
did have is the verb here.

The sentence means that I didn't have the money that wasn't spent. (the money's with my friend)
and I didn't have the land that wasn't registered in my name. (the land that wasn't registered in my name was occupied by someone else.)

These aren't double negatives. They just change the meaning of the sentence.
Now compare with the correct answer E.

E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
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27 Aug 2016, 02:59
I am a little confused here.

I thought nor should always be used with 'neither', but here we are using it with 'not'.

Is this correct? What other exceptions do we have for nor? Like, can it be used without 'Neither' or 'Not' as well?

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Lewis and Clark were not the first white men to cross the continent from the Atlantic to the Pacific north of Mexico, and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

A. and did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
B. and they did not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
C. and they had not visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
D. nor had they visited places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.
E. nor did they visit places not already seen and mapped by generations of native people.

Id say E.

ABC don't really complete the sentence the way it should be. the use of nor here is clearer than and.

When reading A,B, or C I had trouble trying to figure out what the sentence was really trying to say.

D: use of had is not needed.
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