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If each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0, what is \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3\)? (A) \(\sqrt{2x}\) (B) \(2x6 + \sqrt{2x}\) (C) \(\sqrt{2x} + x3\) (D) \(2x6 + \sqrt{x2}\) (E) \(x + \sqrt{x2}\) Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions



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Since, each expression under the square root is positive, 2x > 0 or, x < 2.
Thus, x3 < 0.
Now, first expression = sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 = 3x
Thus, the whole expression will reduce to sqrt(2x)



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ConkergMat wrote: If each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0, what is \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3\)? (A) \(\sqrt{2x}\) (B) \(2x6 + \sqrt{2x}\) (C) \(\sqrt{2x} + x3\) (D) \(2x6 + \sqrt{x2}\) (E) \(x + \sqrt{x2}\) Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions One important note: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3=\sqrt{(x3)^2}+\sqrt{2x}+x3=x3+\sqrt{2x}+x3\). Now, as the expressions under the square roots are more than or equal to zero than \(2x>0\) > \(x<2\). Next: as \(x<2\) then \(x3\) becomes \(x3=(x3)=x+3\). \(x3+\sqrt{2x}+x3=x+3+\sqrt{2x}+x3=\sqrt{2x}\). Answer: A.
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xALIx wrote: scthakur wrote: ConkergMat wrote: >>Now, first expression = sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 = 3x
Can you explain the above? Isn't the sqrt of a number always its positive root?
sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 ? NOT x3 ? You are right. That is why 3x as (x3) is negative. I still don't get how you got 3x. Can someone please explain!!!. It's way too late for the reply but here it goes x< 2 and sqrt ( x3 ) ^2 >=0 now for sqrt(x3)^2 there are two values : x3 or (x3) x3>0 and x>3  This is impossible because we have x<2 So sqrt(x3)^2 = 3x. The rest is pretty straightforward.
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I think it should be B.
sqrt((x3) (x3)) should give (x3) because it is mentioned that each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0.
Rest is simple > x3 +sqrt(x2) +x 3
2x 6 +sqrt(x2)



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jrawls wrote: Hi Bunuel, You posted: as x<2, then x3=(x3)=x+3
But x3 equals either x3 or (x3) If x3>0, then x>3 If x3<0, then x3<0, x<3
How did you conclude to use (x3) for x3?
Thanks, Francis ABSOLUTE VALUE PROPERTIES:When \(x \leq{0}\) then \(x=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\leq{0}\) then \(some \ expression={(some \ expression)}\). For example: \(5=5=(5)\); When \(x \geq{0}\) then \(x=x\), or more generally when \(some \ expression\geq{0}\) then \(some \ expression={some \ expression}\). For example: \(5=5\). BACK TO THE QUESTION:x3=x3, when x>3. x3=(x3), when x<3. Since we know that x<2, then we have the second case (when x<2, x3<0, thus x3=(x3)). Hope it's clear.
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I have done it as follows..
Plugin a value for x where the value of the expression under the squareroot will be greater than or equal to zero, i.e., x^26x+9 >=0 and 2x >=0.
I took x=1, substituing that gives 4 for 1st expression and 1 for 2nd expression. Now, Substituing x=1 in the answer choices. Except option A, all other choices give a negative answer. So, answer is A.



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Pretty tough....its not the question itself tough, but remembering underlying algebra principles... whenever I see the expression \(a^2 2.a.b + b^2\) I immediately think it as \((ab)^2\), as we learned in the school. But the fact is, it depends on how one perceives. It can be either \((ab)^2\) or \((ba)^2\) as there is no info about a and b. That is why we should remember the value of \sqrt{\(a^2 2.a.b + b^2\)} as ab and it should be evaluated based on the a & b variables info. This is what actually tested in the question  a tough question, but very good question. Thanks
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ConkergMat wrote: If each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0, what is \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3\)? (A) \(\sqrt{2x}\) (B) \(2x6 + \sqrt{2x}\) (C) \(\sqrt{2x} + x3\) (D) \(2x6 + \sqrt{x2}\) (E) \(x + \sqrt{x2}\) Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions Suppose choose the value x=1 which satisfies the condition Hence the given becomes 2+1+13=1 1.1 2.3.4.5.not equal Hence 1 is correct



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Really good question. There are a few parts to this question and I did all but one correct. I could make out that the first expression is (x3)^2 and that there are two options i.e. +(x3) and (x3). Using these two values I got A and B as the possible answer choices. At this point the question stem that each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to zero. This is where I made the mistake and chose B. Looking back through the answer choice right now it was really a stupid mistake to consider the option as (x3). I misinterpreted the question stem of value under the square root as nonnegative for the value of x to be nonnegative. A real stupid blunder. Really good question though. Nice learning.
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anindame wrote: Bunuel wrote: ConkergMat wrote: If each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0, what is \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3\)? (A) \(\sqrt{2x}\) (B) \(2x6 + \sqrt{2x}\) (C) \(\sqrt{2x} + x3\) (D) \(2x6 + \sqrt{x2}\) (E) \(x + \sqrt{x2}\) Source: GMAT Club Tests  hardest GMAT questions One important note: \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3=\sqrt{(x3)^2}+\sqrt{2x}+x3=x3+\sqrt{2x}+x3\). Now, as the expressions under the square roots are more than or equal to zero than \(2x>0\) > \(x<2\). Next: as \(x<2\) then \(x3\) becomes \(x3=(x3)=x+3\). \(x3+\sqrt{2x}+x3=x+3+\sqrt{2x}+x3=\sqrt{2x}\). Answer: A. But the questions says that EACH expression under root is greater than or equal to 0, can't we then directly assume the first expression sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} to also be greater than 0? \(\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9}=\sqrt{(x3)^2}\). Yes, the expression under this square root is also greater than 0, but \((x3)^2>0\) just means that \(x\neq{3}\).
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>>Now, first expression = sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 = 3x
Can you explain the above? Isn't the sqrt of a number always its positive root?
sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 ? NOT x3 ?



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ConkergMat wrote: >>Now, first expression = sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 = 3x
Can you explain the above? Isn't the sqrt of a number always its positive root?
sqrt(x3)^2 = x3 ? NOT x3 ? You are right. That is why 3x as (x3) is negative.



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2x> o then x<2 or x is negative
(x3)^2 >o then x is different from 3
if x is negative then squareroot((x3)^2 )=x3=3x then answer a
if 0 in both cases x3 is negative hence the squareroot of it's square is equal to x3
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Its A.
Since each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0, x<2. For all values of x< 1, the equation is true.
Lets suppose x = 1! Putting x=1 in sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3 gives 1 as solution.
Only answer choice 1 gives the same answer.



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a is for me
\sqrt{x^2  6x + 9} + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3 = x3+ \sqrt{2  x} + x  3
because 2x >=0, x<= 2, x3 can be expressed as 3x
the result is 3x + \sqrt{2  x} + x  3 = \sqrt{2  x}



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ssing1 wrote: I think it should be B.
sqrt((x3) (x3)) should give (x3) because it is mentioned that each expression under the square root is greater than or equal to 0.
Rest is simple > x3 +sqrt(x2) +x 3
2x 6 +sqrt(x2) nope it is mentioned that the expression under the square root > 0. Also square root of 16 is 4 and not 4,4. There4, sgrt [(x3)(x3) ] becomes 3x and not x3 to keep the sqrt positive since x<2.



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Awesome question! I fell for B like a mortal! Every piece of information on the GMAT counts, if the question stem mentions that every expression under the square is greater than or equal to zero, we HAVE to use it somewhere!



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AriBenCanaan wrote: Awesome question! I fell for B like a mortal! Every piece of information on the GMAT counts, if the question stem mentions that every expression under the square is greater than or equal to zero, we HAVE to use it somewhere! agree, probably questions on gmat may not be so straight forward after all



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Yep, answer is A.
I spent 3.41 on this one, after looking at it for about a minute... easy solution is to substitute a value of '1' into the expression (obtaining '1' as a result), then confirm which answer option provides the same value.
Only option A also produces '1': SQRT(21) = 1.
Fairly easy way to go about this one, just takes up some time (WORTH IT TO GET THE CORRECT ANSWER)




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