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Hi Bunuel VeritasKarishma,

Can't figure what is wrong with my method. I rejected option A because of the following thought process :

Q: Is a positive?
(1) x^2−2x+a is positive for all x

Lets say x = 5
We get 25-10 + (a) > 0
Here 'a' can be 15 + (-3) > 0
This means A can be negative

Again x = 0
We get 0 - 0 + a > 0
Here A has to be positive

Since we get a Yes and No answer
I thought A is insufficient


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This is a problem of "what is given and what is asked"


GIVEN in stmnt 1:
(1) x^2−2x+a is positive for all x

So for every value of "x" that you put, "a" should be such that the entire expression is positive.

Say, I put x = 1. The expression becomes 1 - 2 + a.
This needs to be positive. So -1 + a > 0 or a > 1.

Say I put x = 0. The expression becomes a
This needs to be positive so a > 0

Say I put x = 3. The expression becomes 9 - 6 + a.
This needs to be positive. So 3 + a > 0 or a > -3

Now the point is that EACH of these cases needs to be satisfied since we know that the expression MUST be positive for EVERY value of x. So "a" must be greater than 0 and 1 and -3 and so on... Out of our examples, we have found that a must be at least greater than 1 so it must be positive.
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I used another approach for S1 and got inequality a>4. Is it correct?

x^2-2x+4-4+a>0
(x-2)^2-4+a>0 for all x. Min of (x-2)^2 if x=2.
Therefore a>4

Sufficient


I did it with another approach, question says that X^2+2x+a is positive for all values of X so we can take any value of X
if he take X=0 then X^2 and 2x will also be -ve and remaining portion should be positive which is a
1) sufficient
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in (1) it is said that x^2 -2x+a>0 for all x
if we substitute x=10 then 100-20+a= 80+a>0
therefore a>-80
hence a insufficient

can someone please tell where i have gone wrong


Hi jacobneroth,

Statement 1 says the expression must be positive for 'all' X...x^2 -2x+a>0 ..So we want to make sure that the expression stays positive for any value of X..In your substitution, the expression is positive for 10, when a is negative; however, if we substitute 0 for X, the expression will be positive only if a is positive...for the expression to hold positive for all values of X, 'a' must be positive.

Hope this helps..
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can we approach this with number picking?

(1) if we pick x=1 then the inequality would become (1)^2 - 2*(1) + a ---> 1 - 2 + a. for the statement 1 to hold true and remain positive a has to be positive - so to say a has to compensate for whatever negative result may come out of x^2-2x. sufficient

(2) statement can hold true with any value of a. consider 0 or -0.5 or 1.

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in (1) it is said that x^2 -2x+a>0 for all x
if we substitute x=10 then 100-20+a= 80+a>0
therefore a>-80
hence a insufficient

can someone please tell where i have gone wrong
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Hi Bunuel VeritasKarishma,

Can't figure what is wrong with my method. I rejected option A because of the following thought process :

Q: Is a positive?
(1) x^2−2x+a is positive for all x

Lets say x = 5
We get 25-10 + (a) > 0
Here 'a' can be 15 + (-3) > 0
This means A can be negative

Again x = 0
We get 0 - 0 + a > 0
Here A has to be positive

Since we get a Yes and No answer
I thought A is insufficient
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation.
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Hello Bunuel KarishmaB . Requesting your response on this.

One of the usual way of solving any DS problem is to find the contradicting values and if we get two opposing values, then we can clearly say that the particular statement is insufficient in answering the question.

So if I consider statement 1 with this line of reasoning-

Let's say x = 10 and final value of expression should be positive
10^2 - 2 (10) + a > 0
100-20+a>0
80+a>0

So, to keep this expression true, I can say that a is -50 or 50, but I cannot say weather a is positive or negative.

Similarly, if I take x = 3
3^2 - 2 (3) + a > 0
9-6+a>0
3+a>0

Again, a can be -1 or +1, hence I cannot say weather a is positive or negative.

Moreover, I am able to substitute positive and negative values of "a" to keep the expression valid.

Can you please help in understanding why this is not correct?
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation.
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